requirements for ITE power cords

2002-08-14 Thread George Stults
Hello Group, Recently my purchasing department asked me to recommend standards for power cords. These are detachable power cords for ITE equipment, both 3-wire and 2-wire. Typically the cords are marked with one or more of CSA, UL, (Dentori T). The ones we get are typically rated from 6 to

marking test solutions

2002-08-14 Thread Ted Rook
another UK supplier www.colepalmer.com has an office in Hanwell London W7 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To

coatings for windows

2002-08-14 Thread Ted Rook
low light camera+color camera and laser all through the same window is your shielding requirement to keep stuff in or out? what is the bandwidth of the radiation you want to control? is the window also a gas and fluid pressure seal? without wishing to be a 'wet-blanket' to meet this

Re: Radiation formula

2002-08-14 Thread Ken Javor
I'll bet I could work it out, but you need to understand sever limitations of these models. The loop model is a low frequency model. It might work at 30 MHz for a physically small radiator, but it only works when the loop size is small relative to a wavelength. If there is a cable connected tot

Re: GTEM Cell / FCC Data Correlation

2002-08-14 Thread Ken Javor
I evolved this same technique for a customer who was having problems correlating GTEM and OATS data. But I made the following extra recommendation which I believe is absolutely essential. If the EUT has any cables attached to it, power or otherwise, then cable common mode currents must be

RE: Laser Warnings

2002-08-14 Thread Joshua Wiseman
Rich, Here is the German I have a few others but don't know which languages they are. ACHTUNG - Klasse 2 Laserstrahlung wenn offen. Niemals in den Laserstrahl blicken. Good Luck, Josh Josh Wiseman EMC/Product Safety [mailto:jwise...@printronix.com] -Original Message- From:

Meeting CISPR in Fast Ethernet board

2002-08-14 Thread Bob Patel
Hi! I had a question regarding meeting EMI on my board for CISPR. I have a Fast Ethernet card and the 125MHz Fast Ehternet fails the CISPR in the 30Mhz to 100Mhz limit. In the layout care has been taken to isolate the chassis or quiet ground from Digital ground by isolating the ground from the

CISPR 16 compliant voltage probe

2002-08-14 Thread Jim Eichner
We bought ours from Solar Electronics, and it was quite cheap if I recall. Came with insertion loss curves and has worked well. Their info is attached. Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Manager, Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. Mobile Power phone: (604) 422-2546 fax: (604) 420-1591

RE: Creepage on PCB Internal Layers

2002-08-14 Thread John Juhasz
As always Rich provides excellent technical information . While a different standard was originally referenced in this thread, I'd like to consider for a moment Chris Maxwell's question ...there should be some minimum distance... on an inner layer of the boardL The 950-based standards have

Canadian EMC

2002-08-14 Thread Joe P Martin
Greetings, Canadian EMC standard for ISM equipment is defined in ICES-001 Issue 3 1998. Similarly, the EMC standard for digital apparatus is defined in ICES-003 Issue 3 1997. These standards are based on CISPR requirements. Are these standards required by Industry Canada or are they

Radiation formula

2002-08-14 Thread Dave Wilson
Hi Group, I found a source which states that radiated emissions can be modeled as a small loop antenna (i.e. less than 1/4 wavelength), where the maximum E-field strength at 10m is proportional to the square of the frequency:- E = 263 x 10^-12 (F^2 x A x Is) V/m where A = loop area in sq cm,

Re: Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices

2002-08-14 Thread Nick Williams
I don't think there are mandatory noise limits for these appliances, but directive 86/594/EEC says that if you do declare a noise value for an appliance, you have to use the right test methods and it has to be accurate. Try looking for EN 60704 in the BSI on-line catalogue, and Statutory

Laser Warnings

2002-08-14 Thread richwoods
Can someone tell me where I can find translations of the following, especially German. Caution - Class 2 laser radiation when open. Do not stare into beam. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC

Re: Creepage on PCB Internal Layers

2002-08-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Chris: To me, it's sort of funny in that it just says that the Creepage and Clearance distances do not apply on inner layers of void free PCBs. That's nice; but I can't find where a distance is specified. I mean, I would think that there should be some minimum distance between

RE:

2002-08-14 Thread Peters, Michael
Tony, Solar Electronics (Hollywood, Callifornia) sells one for about $180 (Model: 9533-1). It includes calibration data. For calibration method, I would recommend the network analyzer method outlined for LISNs/AMNs in ANSI C63.4 (That is if you have access to a NA with frequency range from

Re: GOST-R Certification

2002-08-14 Thread Vit Gorod
1. The draft of the new Law, 2002, of the Russian Federation, to my knowledge, does not require testing to take place on Russian soil. Further, newly appointed President of the recenly reorganized GOSSTANDART claims that the certification process will be streamlined (though, some concerns

RE: Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices

2002-08-14 Thread John Shinn
Are you talking electrical (EMC) noise or Acoustic? John Shinn -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter Merguerian Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Noise Levels for

RE: GOST-R Certification

2002-08-14 Thread Joshua Wiseman
I have never had an issue using an existing CB and EMC report to acquire GOST-R certificates. You do need to know how many copies you will need. One copy is needed for each shipment into Russia. I have used TUV Rhienland for this in the past. Josh Wiseman EMC/Product Safety

Re: Creepage on PCB Internal Layers

2002-08-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Chris: To me, it's sort of funny in that it just says that the Creepage and Clearance distances do not apply on inner layers of void free PCBs. That's nice; but I can't find where a distance is specified. I mean, I would think that there should be some minimum distance between

RE: EMI Coatings for Windows

2002-08-14 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com [mailto:andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMI Coatings for Windows Can any one help? Have been asked to find an EMC Coating that can be used on a

GTEM Cell / FCC Data Correlation

2002-08-14 Thread Reginald Henry
Group, I have a GTEM Cell that I use for CE Emission and Immunity testing. For my FCC testing currently I only do FCC Prescreening ( using package software to control and monitor the emissions in the cell )for FCC Class A, etc., then we send the product out to a testing house in the area

RE: GOST-R Certification

2002-08-14 Thread Simon_Leo
I had good luck getting GOST approvals through both TUV Rheinland and TUV Product Service, provided that I had both CB and EMC Reports for my products. They never requested testing on Russian soil. Don't know much about telecom approvals, though. Leo Simon Consulting Compliance Engineer EMC

RE: EMI Coatings for Windows

2002-08-14 Thread Chris Maxwell
Andy, Tecknit has shielding solutions for windows. I believe that they offer wire mesh screens as well as Indium Tin Oxide (ITO) coatings. Note that ITO is great for dissipating ESD; but I am uncertain about its utility as a radiated emissions shield. It's surface resistivity is relatively

Russia Telecom Testing

2002-08-14 Thread SOUNDSURFR
Sorry, my last response was incomplete: Regarding telecom testing, it is possible that most, if not all of the telecom testing will have to be done at COMTEST in Russia. However, just last month, ETL SEMKO announced an agreement with COMTEST. The announcement is vague, and states that

GOST-R Certification

2002-08-14 Thread SOUNDSURFR
I am not aware of any written Russian law requiring testing to take place on Russian soil. On the contrary, UL, DEMKO and SGS all have publicized signed agreements with Gosstandart which (they claim) allow them to run tests on behalf of Gosstandart. The scope of the agreements include IEC

RE: Creepage on PCB Internal Layers

2002-08-14 Thread richard . payne
Without looking up chapter and verse, I believe that the 61010 standards would view internal layers as solid insulation. Depending on the circuits in question, Dielectric testing may be required. For solid insulation, dielectric testing would seem to be the best way to be sure you have

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2002-08-14 Thread Tony
Hello Group, I am researching building a CISPR 16 compliant voltage probe as shown in CISPR 16-1.12.2. The Insertion loss is mentioned. I have looked into how to measure it and everything I have found so far uses two power meters. I have one. Is there an alternative measurement technique that I

RE: EMI Coatings for Windows

2002-08-14 Thread pwelling
Hi, Many years back at another company I used a product similar to what you are describing. It is made by Southwall Technologies. The link is: http://www.southwall.com/products/display/shielding.html#altair This material is 10 to 20 Ohms/Square and they used to have other versions that were

RE: Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices

2002-08-14 Thread Naftali Shani
Peter, I don't have a clue to what levels we are exposed at home (never measured) or what standard/s do apply, but for telecom equipment in North America and Europe I have some references: 1. For Europe, ETS 300 753 (my version is from October 1997) uses the range of 5-5.5 bels for close

Re: EMI Coatings for Windows

2002-08-14 Thread Alan E Hutley
Andy, try Instrument Plastics in Maidenhead UK. Mike Wevill +44 (0) 1628 770018. Cheers Alan E Hutley EMC Compliance Journal www.compliance-club.com - Original Message - From: andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:03 AM

Noise Levels for Household Appliances / Medical Devices

2002-08-14 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear All, Any recommended European or North American noise levels for household appliances such as massagers? What are the applicable standards? Any recommended European or North American noise levels for medical equipment, such as massagers used by professionals in a therapy center? What are

EMI Coatings for Windows

2002-08-14 Thread andrew . p . price
Can any one help? Have been asked to find an EMC Coating that can be used on a window. Window being used for Low Light Camera, Colour Camera and 1.54micron Laser. Coatings considered so far cause problems with attenuation of the Laser. Companies approached so far Chomerics and Pilkingtons.

(Fwd) RE: Creepage on PCB Internal Layers

2002-08-14 Thread jgriver
Chris, I know I may be stating the obvious, but creepage and clearance distances do not apply on inner layers of void free PCB's BY DEFINITION. If you refer to clauses 1.2.10.1 and 1.2.10.2 in IEC 60950 or 3.6.7 and 3.6.8 of IEC 61010-1, clearance is defined as distance in air between two