Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Gert Gremmen
Right. But still reduces the screening of your chamber from 100 dB or so to 30...40 and thus may cause problems with immunity testing. That brings me to a related subject: The risks that go with RF energy leaking out. Well if you are in the middle of Texas, that may not be such a problem.

Re: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Ken Javor
Aircraft VOR (vhf omni-range) frequencies are from 108-118 MHz. Aircraft COMM to tower 116-152 MHz. Glideslope signal is 329-335 MHz. Marker Beacon is at 75 MHz. DME is 960-1215 MHz. These have been around forever. There may be newer stuff I haven't listed. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Willem Jan Jong
Hi Gert, ILS (Instrument Landing System) operates in the VHF band (108-118 MHz). There is also DME (Distance measuring equipment) which operates in the 960-1215MHz band. Mvg, Willem Jan Jong From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen Sent: donderdag 15

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Hi again, Covering comments since I last posted - yes chokes may provide sufficient attenuation for the purpose - but to confirm this all the possible issues need to be considered. With a waveguide beyond cut off, filling the hole with a dielectric effectively increases the frequency that it

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out -ERRATA

2009-01-15 Thread Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Sorry - errata where I said filling the hole with a dielectric effectively increases the frequency that it will pass that should read filling the hole with a dielectric effectively decreases the frequency that it will pass regards Tim Tim Haynes A1N10

Re: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc883900104290...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com writes: Strangely, there is a UK Statutory Instrument regarding Suppressed Radiation which dictates the limits of radiation

Re: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread FRED TOWNSEND
Gert: I don't think you'll find a list of important frequencies . If there were such a thing it would be like the terrorist handbook on how to bring down an airliner. I can tell you a lot of EMI immunity goes into every Boeing airplane. Fred Townsend From:

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
John, All, The table at the bottom of my early e-mail IS from the Statutory Instrument - It is THE SCHEDULE referred to in the SI and is published (in the paper format) along with the SI. If you are looking at a web version, you should find a link to the schedule. John, I will send the HTML

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Further to my last e-mail, http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891842_en_1.htm Is the Statutory Instrument, at the bottom of which is a link with the word continue that links to the table at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891842_en_2.htm Regards Tim SELEX Sensors and Airborne

Re: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc883900104290...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com writes: John, I will send the HTML pages that I downloaded from Ofcom under a plain cover J Thanks. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 860439.96457...@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, FRED TOWNSEND ftowns...@sbcglobal.net writes: I don't think you'll find a list of important frequencies . If there were such a thing it would be like the terrorist handbook on how to bring down an airliner. I can

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
This approach compels good practice; some radiated susceptibility tests approach oven level at peak power. Cortland KA5S - Original Message - From: Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) mailto:tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent:

RE: Anechoic chambers: risks of energy leaking out

2009-01-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
Worldwide aviation frequencies are still a matter of public record. The most critical frequencies that come to mind where you are would be those used in Instrument Landing System/Glide Slope operation, sometimes linked to flight controls for fully automatic landings, and those just above 1 GHz

Re: First EUP Regulation implementation regarding standby power

2009-01-15 Thread Piotr Galka
- Original Message - From: Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl I believe *your* focus should be directed towards: can my design be used in such amounts that a considerable amount of otherwise spoiled energy can be saved, and can a small effort on our companies side contribute to the

RE: First EUP Regulation implementation regarding standby power

2009-01-15 Thread Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
I saw written... Considering the fact that if device is used in heated location than reducing its power (active and stand-by) saves no energy I came to: Let's start from reducing outdoor devices stand-by mode ? ;-) Piotr Galka On that basis, we should also consider reducing the power (active

WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Dave Heald
All, I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals. Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but

RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Barker, Neil
David There may be a number of reasons for this:- 1. To ensure that the disposal instructions can be understood in the countries in which the product is marketed. 2. To include different contact details for the compliance schemes that the manufacturer may belong in each of the different

RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread James, Chris
The implementation of the directive is down to the “producer” within the individual member state in accordance with member state legislation. Article 10 of the directive is the base requirement http://www.epeat.net/Docs/EU%20WEEE%20Directive.pdf Some mfrs whether or not they have legal

Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Lauren_Crane
Certainly the multi-lingual approach is in line with explicit criteria other directives and regulations such as RTTE, MD, REACH, CLP where communication to an end user in a Member State is envisioned. In WEEE Art 10.4 Member States appear to be given the possibility of laying down criteria for

RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Daniel Roman
And while the Directive applies to household and professional equipment, Article 10 states in part “Member States shall ensure that users of electrical and electronic equipment in private households are given the necessary information…” so does that mean B2B or professional equipment does not

Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message f51035525f51b14d9b6e90f85793591324ea5...@pysxmb02.dialogic.com, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Daniel Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com writes: And while the Directive applies to household and professional equipment, Article 10 states in part ?Member States shall ensure that users of

RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread James, Chris
A business should be cognizant of it’s legal obligation regarding the disposal of all its waste so yes. For WEEE they may have taken on the obligation for disposal when they purchased the EEE or they may have retained the right to take-back by the supplier.

C-Tick mark on spares?

2009-01-15 Thread Knighten, Jim L
I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on

Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Scott Douglas
So that's kind of like design validation by the customer, right? Build it, ship it, let the customer figure out what works and how? I know a few companies that work like that, why not the EU Commission? Scott Douglas John Woodgate wrote: In message

Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 496f8d24.5050...@ptcnh.net, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net writes: So that's kind of like design validation by the customer, right? Build it, ship it, let the customer figure out what works and how? I know a few companies that work like that, why not the

Certification Standards for terminal block accessories?

2009-01-15 Thread Lauren_Crane
All, Does anyone know of a certification standard (e.g., UL, EN) that may exist for terminal block accessories. I am specifically curious about jumper bars used to bridge the continuity of adjacent terminals. I've gotten a few hits on Google related to ATEX considerations, but my focus is

Re: Certification Standards for terminal block accessories?

2009-01-15 Thread Nick Williams
Have you looked at the -7-x parts of the EN 60947 series of standards (e.g. EN 60947-7-1)? Nick. At 16:12 -0600 15/1/09, lauren_cr...@amat.com wrote: All, Does anyone know of a certification standard (e.g., UL, EN) that may exist for terminal block accessories. I am specifically curious

Re: Certification Standards for terminal block accessories?

2009-01-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message of578743b6.7a8d8e56-on8625753f.0078b192-8625753f.007a0...@amat.com, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, lauren_cr...@amat.com writes: Does anyone know of a certification standard (e.g., UL, EN) that may exist for terminal block accessories. I am specifically curious about jumper bars used to

RE: Certification Standards for terminal block accessories?

2009-01-15 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Lauren, These are the likely standards. ANSI/UL 1059 http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/scopes/scopes.asp?fn=1059.html , Terminal Blocks http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/scopes/scopes.asp?fn=1059.html IEC 60947-7-1 http://ulstandardsinfone

Re: C-Tick mark on spares?

2009-01-15 Thread peter merguerian
Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components

RE: C-Tick mark on spares?

2009-01-15 Thread Knighten, Jim L
Peter, Excellent! Thanks. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) From: peter merguerian

RE: C-Tick mark on spares?

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Richardson
Jim, I would agree with Peter's advice. Item 7 is the relevant exemption (under Schedule 2 of the EMC Labelling Notice) providing, as Peter say, it is only supplied as a spare part for the original equipment. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for