Re: [PSES] Used Screen Room?

2015-03-03 Thread Ed Price
FW: Pardon if this sounds too commercial, but you did ask. My first choice for RF enclosures, antenna ranges and modification/service work is Hi-Tech Services, run by Henry “Ozzy” Osgood. He is based in Ferndale, Washington, although he’s temporarily at an undisclosed location in Virginia. O

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
You can use the signal words in products that are safe to keep them safe. For example Caution - high leakage current, earth connection essential…. And Warning- risk of injury, do not operate without guards in place. There are lots of examples at safteylabelsolutions.com and clarionsafety.co

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Greg: If you have a product that requires the use of the signal words (except “notice”), then you have, by definition of the signal word, an un-safe product. For conventional products, you shouldn’t have to use the signal words. Best regards, Rich - --

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, "Grasso, Charles" writes: It is generally reported (at least as far as I can remember) that a ferrite bead clamped on a cable will provide ? typically- only about 3db of improvement as a general rule. I am now in a position of looking for the source of tha

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message <000f424e.6fe8225c75b15...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, "Ron Pickard (RPQ)" writes: I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this one, metaphorically speaking. A lot of people think that. In the past, the EU has stopped its official clock in order to deal wit

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message .com>, dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Brian Oconnell writes: Picochance? What SI unit is the 'chance' derived from? 1 chance is the time in seconds to vaporize a 1 kg snowball in Hell, at a temperature of 10 thousand kelvins. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.d

[PSES] Used Screen Room?

2015-03-03 Thread FW Miller
Ah, yes, Spring is in the air here on the Left Coast, with dreamy thoughts of an installation of a used screen room/anechoic chamber.   Have any vendor recommendations for such used equipment? Many thanks, FW Miller - This message i

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Ken Wyatt
It really depends on the impedance of the wire or cable it’s clamped around. If the impedance is low, compared to the ferrite Z, then you’ll get some benefit. If it’s high, for example, 100 Ohms, then a 100 Ohm ferrite won’t do anything. A good reference is Würth Electronics, Trilogy of Magnetic

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread RPQ
As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets completed on time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can get that all done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this one, metaphorically speaking. I look forward t

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
Picochance? What SI unit is the 'chance' derived from? This could be useful in my uncertainty calculations. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:11 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised S

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message <000f424e.66f2bca822817...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, "Ron Pickard (RPQ)" writes: For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives. I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Grasso, Charles
Thanks Doug! Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) 3032042...@vtext.com (e) charles.gra...@echostar.com (e2) chasgra...@gmail.com From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:03 AM To: Grasso,

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Grasso, Charles
That's good advice ED - and matches my experiences too. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) 3032042...@vtext.com (e) charles.gra...@echostar.com (e2) chasgra...@gmail.com From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesda

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Ed Price
Chuck: I would delete that particular rule of thumb from my mayonnaise jar full of rules. 3 dB is easy to get with a ferrite on a high impedance data line at 800 MHz, but a lot harder to obtain at 37 MHz on a stepper motor drive line. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Grasso, Ch

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message >, dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Rick Busche writes: As for NOTICE, I have seen the exclamation point used as an icon in front of the statement.  It seemed to convey the message very well. Based on ISO 3864-2 or ANSI Z536.6 is this allowable? It means 'Refer to the instruction book'. If

Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Doug Powell
Charles,I have never heard such a rule of thumb. And I have personal experience showing that many factors will make a big difference so I always caution engineers to be careful with placing ferrite and verify their results.  Here are some factors off the top of my head.Material type will obviously

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Exclamation point (in a triangle) is explicitly associated with a personal injury hazard. Its use with a NOTICE, which is explicitly not a personal injury hazard, is not in accordance with the ANSI or ISO standards. In my experience, UL standards are often not in synch with these latest ISO and

Re: [PSES] Serrated head screws for grounding/bonding

2015-03-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
CSA provides the respective standard's Design Manual for clients that are accredited per their Category Certification program. Coatings and paint are specifically disallowed per CSA No. 0.4 (which is a requirement per ANSI60950-1), and this standard is the basis of the 40A test. Also, various N

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

2015-03-03 Thread RPQ
Hi John,For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives. I look forward to you reply. Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone -- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015

[PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

2015-03-03 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hello all, It is generally reported (at least as far as I can remember) that a ferrite bead clamped on a cable will provide - typically- only about 3db of improvement as a general rule. I am now in a position of looking for the source of that "common knowledge" .. Does anyone have such a refer

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Rick Busche
As for NOTICE, I have seen the exclamation point used as an icon in front of the statement. It seemed to convey the message very well. Based on ISO 3864-2 or ANSI Z536.6 is this allowable? Rick From: Greg McClure [mailto:gmccl...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC@

Re: [PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Momcilovic, Nick (GE Healthcare)
The way I would apply it would be first to apply any specific safety messages that the end product standard states. If you need a safety message that is not defined by the end product standard, than the signal word you choose should follow their definitions and matched up with your risk assessm

Re: [PSES] Serrated head screws for grounding/bonding

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodgate
In message <64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D18D3@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local>, dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, "Kunde, Brian" writes: Is there a free on-line reference showing acceptable methods for ground bonding? Screws vs studs? How to properly stack ground bond lugs on to a single stud? Lock

[PSES] Signal words, definition and usage

2015-03-03 Thread Greg McClure
Looking for input from the group. The definition of the signal words per ISO 3864-2 and ANSI Z535.6 are: DANGER - signal word used to indicate an imminently hazardous situation which, if not avoided, will result in death or serious injury WARNING - signal word used to indicate a potentially haza

Re: [PSES] Serrated head screws for grounding/bonding

2015-03-03 Thread Kunde, Brian
Is there a free on-line reference showing acceptable methods for ground bonding? Screws vs studs? How to properly stack ground bond lugs on to a single stud? Lock washers, star washers, lugs with serrated edges, screws with serrated heads, etc..? Something like this would be most helpful. I rec