Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread Jon Keeble
I think that I would * write a letter to the manager, pointing out the consequences of their action * include that this is a unique service providing core engineering skills that save huge amounts in avoiding design mistakes, unavailable elsewhere at anything like the cost-benefit * refer the manag

Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Doug, I don’t know if this falls under the same business laws as retail transactions. If it does, it is still complicated because it depends on which state has jurisdiction. Most states, such as Nevada, give the purchaser no right to a refund. It is up to the retailer to set a refund poli

Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
I would regard anyone who pays you as a 'customer'. Replace it with a word you prefer. If they will not take up the 'next event' offer, you have only limited choices, such as the refund and sanction you indicate. Above all, of course, don't let lawyers get involved. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opini

Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread Doug Smith
John, If they were a customer I would just refund the amount. I would normally just let them come to the next or any event (even though it would cost me two of six registrations for the future event). But they do not want to do that. I have classrooms available to me at no cost of 6

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
Re the quoted text. Once you get the idea of making the project leader internally responsible for compliance, it naturally follows that  the responsibility propagates up the management chain, i.e. the VP Engineering's head is on the block if there is a serious compliance issue in the field. '

Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
I guess you don't have a cancellation policy in your T&Cs. No doubt you will fix that, as a result of this experience. If you don't want to lose the customer, and maybe get bad music on social media, let them come to a future event at no extra charge. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Wo

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Nute
“Safety is our number one priority.” How many times have you heard this? In any business, profits are the number one priority, despite the mantra. Or, in the case of the Challenger, on-schedule launch was number one priority, despite the mantra. However, the mantra is on public displ

Re: [PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread Ken Javor
What is your official policy? Most folks say full refund up to some point, then partial or no refund beyond that point. If this cancellation is beyond the deadline, a decent response given the no travel policy is to apply their full fee towards the next class when the policy is lifted. -

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Ken Javor
The Challenger disaster was due to management discounting engineering input. While engineers like to jump all over that, it is also an indictment of safety engineers being overly cautious. And that is due to there being a strong line of demarcation between the management responsibility to

[PSES] need some advice on cancellation policy for a seminar

2018-09-14 Thread Doug Smith
Hi Everyone, I need some advice on a pair of cancelled registrations for a class I am holding next month. Two people from the same company registered and the company paid the registration fees. At that point the seminar was full (I limit it six people for a good experience) so I sto

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Nute
When I was working, both EMC and safety personnel worked with the designers such that both EMC and safety were done as the design progressed. EMI was suppressed at the source including judicious layout. Neither EMI nor safety was a "critical path." One division went so far as to measure and mini

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Wiseman, Joshua
Some company's do this, but that number is pretty small. There are a bunch that are more of a "toddler to grave" approach. This seems to work fairly well, but there is the occasional thing that could've been caught ealier. Josh From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
I seem to recall that the Challenger disaster was partly caused by escalation either blocked or discounted. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-09-14 18:33, Schmidt, Mark wrote: Ignorance can be achieved at all levels of m

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
Re your point 1, the crunch is that Design and Compliance have a shared goal, instead of being potentially antagonists (especially over product cost). Yes, other things have to be set up correctly. Re your point 2, by 'dinosaur'  I mean 'resistant to change'. Perhaps 'Lingula'  would be more a

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Brian O'Connell
Has been my (anecdotal) experience that those that are refusing or delaying pre-comp scans tend to be the younger designers and managers. And have been associated with a project team bereft of physics that was under the management of a young software 'engineer'. 1. Am not certain assigning resp

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Schmidt, Mark
Ignorance can be achieved at all levels of management. Not sure escalating is the best way forward. Just sayin. From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] How to lose another million

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Manny Barron
Here’s another interesting one.  In a previous job a Program Manager sees that an 18 chassis system (all shielded enclosures) is over the maximum weight budget (it’s mission equipment that goes on an aircraft). He orders the development team to remove a top cover from one chassis enclosure to

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Allen
"Been there, seen that" OH SO many times ! L Emphasises the need for a defined "cradle to grave" Project Lifecycle which includes the Project Compliance targets at each stage, and with the responsibilities laid out in some detail so that progress can be accurately forecast and monitored - and t

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
It's inevitable that there still are some dinosaurs around who don't see the need for both making the project leader internally responsible for compliance (so that Development and Compliance share interests instead of being opposed) and for the need for pre-compliance checks on the first 'good'

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread Pete Perkins
James, Oh yes, I have another real life story. In dealing with the compliance issues on a product I recommended that they run a pre-compliance EMC check and the chief electrical engineer rebutted that it was so straightforward that they would do that last, just before releasing the product to mar

Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hi John, Is this an actual true story? I'm lost for words... James From: John Woodgate Sent: 14 September 2018 12:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars Prepare for sob story. Company X has implemented the sensible policy of making the proj

[PSES] How to lose another million dollars

2018-09-14 Thread John Woodgate
Prepare for sob story. Company X has implemented the sensible policy of making the project leader internally responsible for EMC and safety compliance, i.e., when the product is tested by the compliance experts, it passes or has only minor defects. So John Doe takes his engineering model, sche