Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread John Woodgate
It isn't appropriate to refer to the ICNIRP publications. The correct reference (for Europe) is to EN 50527-1 and EN 50527-2-1. Unfortunately, these are not available free of charge. However, they are available at reasonable prices (in English) at https://www.evs.ee/shop. John Woodgate

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread McCallum, Andy
testing at 50 mT. -Original Message- From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com] Sent: 06 July 2018 10:27 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Hi Bernd It’s a mess but at this time no one seems to want to address

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread McCallum, Andy
-Original Message- From: Dürrer Bernd [mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com] Sent: 06 July 2018 09:53 To: McCallum, Andy ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Hello Andy, Thank you for pointing out the ICNIRP limits: Actually, I recently

[PSES] AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread Dürrer Bernd
60601-1-2) Kind regards, Bernd Von: McCallum, Andy Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Juli 2018 09:41 An: Dürrer Bernd ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: RE: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Bernd Pacemakers have DC static magnetic field limits as low as 0.5mT as mentioned

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread McCallum, Andy
.IEEE.ORG> Betreff: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Hi Michael and the group, With the exception tissue heating generated by some sources at very high frequencies, I wonder if the EM field exposure worries today are a bit overblown. I started my experiments in

[PSES] AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread Dürrer Bernd
to reduce the risk of malfunction is to limit EM fields. Stay in the best of health and have a nice weekend, Bernd Von: Doug Smith Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2018 20:56 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Hi Michael and the group

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Ghery Pettit
Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Those college students’ knee jerk reaction to a scientific name for a life-sustaining chemical is a perfect example of what I was saying below. Over-the-top, but very apropos. College students. Soon we will be at the point

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: 05 July 2018 22:04 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields "Do drink the water. Do not breathe t

[PSES] FW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Allen
In other words, become an "aquaphibian" (or something like that :) ) – “back to the Future” J -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: 05 July 2018 22:04 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Huma

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Brian O'Connell
Recently talked to an actuary-type mathematician and a Dept of Agriculture scientist. They indicated that while mean life span once incrementally increased during 20th century USA, the available 21st century data no longer supports any future trend of consistent and incremental increases for

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Ken Javor
someone. From: Ghery Pettit Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 13:29:20 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Another chemical that is a problem in certain cases is Dihydrogen Monoxide. See www.dhmo.org <http://www.dhmo.org> for more information.

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Allen
is also known as water. Ghery S. Pettit From: Ken Javor Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 1:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields The precautionary principle, as harmless and common sense as it sounds, is at the root of

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Doug Smith
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields There is another aspect to this, the 'precautionary principle'. This says that if you don't know the harmful level of something, you reduce its level to ALARP, 'as low as is reasonably practicable

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Ghery Pettit
2018 1:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields The precautionary principle, as harmless and common sense as it sounds, is at the root of much mischief. Said mischief is not inherent in the principle itself, but how it is used.

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Ken Javor
, 5 Jul 2018 20:34:07 +0100 To: Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields There is another aspect to this, the 'precautionary principle'. This says that if you don't know the harmful level of something, you reduce its level  to ALARP, 'as low as is reasonably

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
There is another aspect to this, the 'precautionary principle'. This says that if you don't know the harmful level of something, you reduce its level  to ALARP, 'as low as is reasonably practicable'.  Unfortunately, of course, opinions differ very widely on what that level is, in many cases.

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Be surprised if any LVD could cause EMF large enough to pose a danger to Human Health. Intentional transmitters maybe, a rare beast to create those levels unintentionally at less than 1000V

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Doug Smith
] Sent: 05 July 2018 10:28 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields It applies to any LVD product, but there is a flow chart that shows that a simple assessment is possible if the product has no reasonable likelihood of producing

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Michael Derby
ssue under the LVD. Michael. From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com] Sent: 05 July 2018 15:33 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields Be surprised if any LVD could cause EMF large enough to pose a danger to Hu

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread McCallum, Andy
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields It applies to any LVD product, but there is a flow chart that shows that a simple assessment is possible if the product has no reasonable likelihood of producing sufficiently strong EMF. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields It applies to any LVD product, but there is a flow chart that shows that a simple assessment is possible if the product has no reasonable likelihood of producing sufficiently strong EMF. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
It applies to any LVD product, but there is a flow chart that shows that a simple assessment is possible if the product has no reasonable likelihood of producing sufficiently strong EMF. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On

[PSES] AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Dürrer Bernd
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2018 11:10 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields EN62311 is listed in OJ and a harmonized LVD standard. Does EN62311apply to any LVD product or only products containing radio transmitters? Best reg

[PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread Amund Westin
EN62311 is listed in OJ and a harmonized LVD standard. Does EN62311apply to any LVD product or only products containing radio transmitters? Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering