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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:44 AM
To: Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc: jmw1...@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I am sorry Ted, but that won't work. It overlooks the impact of harmonics on
capa
hone or by e-mail and
delete the material from any computer.
Thank you for your co-operation.
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From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday 17 January 2017 01:43
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:37 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Definite need for a flux capacitor or a zwitterion inductor, there. Amendment
XVIII coming up?.
With best
[mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:45 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
"... as long as the arrangement can be shown not to reduce the emissions
measured from the EUT."
Hmm, I wonder how on
Quite right James - It will be well received.
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From: Pawson, James
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 3:03 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Hi John,
You are right about impedance discontinuities being a factor.
However, in my
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Exactly :
Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can
attenuate the emissions.
But any unbalance is caused by the EUT at the sending or at the receiving
end, not by the cable.
Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van
Thank you for the clarification Ghery.
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From: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:57 PM
To: 'Brent DeWitt' <bdew...@ix.netcom.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
The 4th par
don't see a conflict between CISPR 32 and ANSI C63.4 in this area.
Ghery S. Pettit
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From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:01 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
It seems that there is a
[mailto:n6...@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:46 PM
To: 'John Woodgate' <jmw1...@btinternet.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
So, contact your national committee representatives to CISPR H and ask that
they do this.
Ghery S. Pettit
Chair,
ther by telephone or by e-mail and delete the
material from any computer.
Thank you for your co-operation.
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 11:14
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
John,
While your libertine approach might feel attractive, it means also
that the liberated spectrum area like this (by increasing B to A) also
means the same spectrum an never be used again for new purposes in the future,
or if really needed
Gremmen
[mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:57 AM
To: Brent DeWitt <bdew...@ix.netcom.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Exactly :
Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can
attenuate the emi
your co-operation.
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 12:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Interesting. I think CISPR/H should be required to study the relevance of
emission limits de
day 14 January 2017 11:14
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I think the key words 'poorly-constructed' should be noted. Any manufacturing
defect that creates an impedance discontinuity in the signal conductors causes
mode conversion of the differential sig
Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
-Original Message-
From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:05 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV
ther by telephone or by e-mail and
delete the material from any computer.
Thank you for your co-operation.
-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 11:14
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV
: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Exactly :
Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can attenuate
the emissions.
But any unbalance is caused by the EUT at the sending or at the receiving end,
not by the cable.
Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Brent
...@ix.netcom.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 14 januari 2017 2:17
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I did some experiments with equipment (Blu-Ray players and TVs) that showed
that the introduction of an off-the-shelf, poorly constructed, short, cable to
cable adapter
.
Brent DeWitt, AB1LF
Milford, MA
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From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
" I suspect this is just equipment originat
ar...@schneider-electric.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:59:57 +
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> Conversation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
> Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
> I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box
Because that is the ANSI requirement irrespective.
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From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4
Why?? I get that on an OATS
ra...@echosetar.com]
Sent: 13 January 2017 20:47
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG.
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Which goes back to my musing : With so much money and effort applied to EMC
(especially emissions!) shouldn't compliant product (including cables and so
on) be the norm
is the
delinquent causing me grief. So it is not a peripheral it is part of the DUT.
-Original Message-
From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Which goes back
that or.well the next conclusion is
obvious.
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From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:21 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Why would one feel, philosophically
On 1/13/2017 2:21 PM, Ken Javor wrote:
Why would one feel, philosophically, that it is required had to meet a limit
with a noisy peripheral? You are not responsible for the peripheral's noise
contribution, right?
One couldn't, and for the monitors, THIS one didn't have to; we didn't
buy them.
of the cable?
Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261
> From: Doug Smith <d...@emcesd.com>
> Reply-To: <d...@emcesd.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>, Ken Javor
> <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>
> Subject: Re:
ink.net>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:30:00 -0500
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
> On 1/12/2017 10:26 PM, Ken Javor wrote:
>> If I am qualifying a device that connects through a cable to this TV, but not
>> the
-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG"
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> Conversation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4
> Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> If you are following ANSI C63.4 the then TV should be placed in the same room
> a
On 1/12/2017 10:26 PM, Ken Javor wrote:
If I am qualifying a device that connects through a cable to this TV, but not
the TV itself, why would it physically have to be part of the set-up in the
test chamber? Why could it not simply be support equipment in an adjacent
chamber, providing the
id
Product Compliance
Solar Business
Schneider Electric
-Original Message-
From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:01 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Exactly. Nowadays
-
From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
[mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: 13 January 2017 09:01
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Exactly. Nowadays it's easy to filter high speed ports, and in the case of
shielded cable this is even more
end of the cable?
Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261
> From: Doug Smith <d...@emcesd.com>
> Reply-To: <d...@emcesd.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>, Ken Javor
> <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>
> Subject:
Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261
> From: Doug Smith <d...@emcesd.com>
> Reply-To: <d...@emcesd.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>, Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>
> Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
&g
er-electric.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:59:57 +
> To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> Conversation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
> Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
> I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box then radiates
> f
I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box then radiates
from the HDMI cable? All that overhead cable strung through residential
neighborhoods must pick up a lot of RFI on its outer braid.
Ralph McDiarmid
Product Compliance
Solar Business
Schneider Electric
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 12 January 2017 14:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I doubt that is possible, since the cable is the main source of radiated
emissions.
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions
Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:58 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
This issue about HDMI cables must raise the question: if ALL
commercially-available cables are as bad as has been reported, then should not
AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
This issue about HDMI cables must raise the question: if ALL
commercially-available cables are as bad as has been reported, then should not
the AV equipment manufacturers take that into consideration when designing
ents
without the need for something that is not actually available to the consumers
who will buy them?
John E Allen
W. London, UK
From: Schmidt, Mark [mailto:markschm...@xrite.com]
Sent: 12 January 2017 13:40
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I
o.uk J M Woodgate and
Associates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
From: Schmidt, Mark [mailto:markschm...@xrite.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:40 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I too have had numerous HDMI problems in th
cable for RF.
Thanks,
Mark
From: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Brent,
I ran into a problem with HDMI cables back in 2014. It seems that the HDMI
specification
[mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Brent DeWitt <bdew...@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I added the FCC search option initially based on my first search returning one
example from a supplier
]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Brent DeWitt <bdew...@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I added the FCC search option initially based on my first search returning one
example from a supplier whose North American
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 7:23 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
>
>
> In addition to the recommendations such as James', it may be worth some
> time looking at teardown videos (YouTube, iFixit, etc.) and FC
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
In addition to the recommendations such as James', it may be worth some time
looking at teardown videos (YouTube, iFixit, etc.) and FCC filings (the
internal photos entry among all of the documents) to get an idea of
construction. You won't know if you
rather than
somebody else’s.
Thanks for the support!
Brent
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
The thread is about finding low-emission products (well below
Hello Jim,
Did you get the unintentional emissions report or did you review the reports
from the OET website?
From: Jim Bacher [mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
It is ok to post
Witt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:11 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I should have mentioned that, in this case, we (Bose Corp.) are the test lab
and it's our equipment we're testing. We just came out with a co
ubject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
[ShowerThoughts]
Given the amount of effort that goes into EMC research, design, manufacturing
etc.. shouldn’t
compliant devices be the norm and not the exception?
[I understand variability and so on … but really …?]
Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Comp
asgra...@gmail.com <mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:11 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
> I should have mention
y 10, 2017 2:11 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
I should have mentioned that, in this case, we (Bose Corp.) are the test lab
and it's our equipment we're testing. We just came out with a couple of new
audio-for-video devices that route HDMI through t
EE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
It is ok to post recommendations on devices that are good for testing to this list. As the list is archived one can always search the archives for such things. I have used several approaches to finding good support devices. I have like others
Hi Brent,
When I was looking for my first big flat screen TV, it was just when LED
backlighting was coming into vogue. A friend of mine, and amateur radio
astronomer, had earlier purchased one of the plasma sets from Panasonic and
discovered the broadband noise level had increased by 30 dB at
It is ok to post recommendations on devices that are good for testing to
this list. As the list is archived one can always search the archives for
such things.
I have used several approaches to finding good support devices. I have like
others looked at FCC test reports. For the most part it was
gt; James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com]
> *Sent:* 10 January 2017 01:57
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
>
>
>
> Hi group,
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on the best
Hi Brent,
I've had some success with a (now slightly old) Samsung 4k TV that wasn't too
noisy, model UE48JU7000T.
James
From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: 10 January 2017 01:57
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?
Hi group,
Any
Hi group,
Any suggestions on the best available 4k TV for emissions testing support?
We seem to be in a continuous churn of looking for good, commercially
available, sources and sinks. It would be a real plus if it also had ARC
capability!
I'm also wondering if there would be much support
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