Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Joe: If the 150 V DC is generated from the 3.7 V DC, then a fault between the two circuits will cause the 150 V DC to stop and become 3.7 V DC. The Law of Conservation of Energy. There is no way the 150 V can cause the 3.7 V to increase! Therefore, there is no need to isolate the 150 V DC

Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 6.1.0.6.2.20101215231732.01cdb...@pop.randolph-telecom.com, dated Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Joe Randolph j...@randolph-telecom.com writes: Rich's question about what the potential current path would be has bothered me as well. I'm not sure what sort of scenarios to test for, but there may

Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Where is the loop for the current to flow! If the person is part of that loop, there migth be some questions to answer! I have no problems holding onto a few million volts, tho' grounding might be a shocking experience. If the freq is low enough to avoid being the antenna, no / little

Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Rich, Gary, Brian: Thanks for your comments and questions. This is very helpful. Just to clarify, I'm not concerned about the isolation barrier between the high voltage circuit and the surface of the LCD screen. I'm concerned about having to provide isolation between the high voltage circuit

Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Joe: What you describe is very similar to the flash tube circuits in a digital camera. Since you have measured the 150 V and the 300 Hz and determined they are not limited current circuits, I will offer comments based on these circuits being hazardous circuits. (You did not specify the

RE: [PSES] Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This is a haz V, so SFC protection is required, and 2.2.3 provides the limits. As for back-light power sources, the models I have done were LCC - which was easy to do because of a very hi-Z load, and as previously stated, were buried under thick plastic. Also the units that I submitted had two

RE: [PSES] Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Sounds like a touch screen to me, UL is used to those. The isolation I believe comes from the glass properties and the creepage and clearance distances between the closest point of user contact and the Haptics voltages. From: Bill Owsley

Re: Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
you could try it like an old Safety engineer from long ago used to do. Get well grounded and grab the circuit - if he could let go... it was ok. Note he always brought along some help. Bill In the event of a national emergency, click on the following links to provide directions to your

Need help with safety compliance for a low power, 150 volt circuit inside a cell phone

2010-12-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello All: I have been asked to suggest a UL/EN 60950 compliance method for a low power, high voltage circuit that resides inside a cell phone. The circuit activates a piezo-electric transducer that physically vibrates the LCD display at about 300 Hz in 30 mS bursts to provide the sensation of a