Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message web-141102...@california.com, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Robert A. Macy m...@california.com writes: This question is not meant to sound argumentative, but really is a sincere question. Your other two points are spot on, therefore I assume this point is also. but I did not understand

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This question is not meant to sound argumentative, but really is a sincere question. Your other two points are spot on, therefore I assume this point is also. but I did not understand it. What do you mean ...failure of industry to support standards terminology...? and what would it take to

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b5a...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: We've been on the same page all along, John. My approach to Jody's post has been to look at what the standard says and let any failure of

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: don_borow...@selinc.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:02 AM If the power supply in question has a bridge rectifier connected to the mains of a power system with hot and neutral conductors, neither side of the capacitor on the DC side of the bridge can be connected to earth --

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b5a...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: If the post-rectifier filter capacitor had one terminal tied to earth, it would need to comply with Y1, Y2 or Y4 requirements, regardless

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:23 PM Tarver, Peter writes: §1.5.6 looks at X and Y capacitors, and those connected between the primary circuit and earth. The cathode of the electrolytic capacitor might not connect to earth, unless the bottom end of the rectifier is

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message b11802460b4f4b4e963b51adf2fae08b04c4a...@usmafrexmb02.bose.com, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com writes: Seems pretty clear to me but, since these are not legal modifications to the standard(s) in questions, it depends on the Agency you are dealing with as to

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
... From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:35 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits In message b11802460b4f4b4e963b51adf2fae08b04c4a...@usmafrexmb02.bose.com, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message b11802460b4f4b4e963b51adf2fae08b04c4a...@usmafrexmb02.bose.com, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com writes: I have a copy of the CENELEC Committee OSM decisions for the IEC60065 standard 6th/ 7th editions where the various CENELEC member Agencies agreed that

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 768ee6ab7d56d54bb5000ec2dd113e71016be...@de01exm61.ds.mot.com, dated Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Leber Jody-G19980 jody.le...@motorola.com writes: I am having trouble convincing an agency that the other side of the rectifier is not between line conductors. Are you or is anyone else on the

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
minutes but will e-mail you a copy after the meeting. Regards, John From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Leber Jody-G19980 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:48 AM To: pat.law...@slpower.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits Pat

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of pat.law...@slpower.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits Hi Jody: UL 60950-1 1st Ed., clause 1.5.6 ('Capacitors in primary circuits') says: 'A capacitor connected between two

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject 03/17/2007 01:55 Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in AMPrimary Circuits

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
cc Subject 03/16/2007 03:23 Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in PMPrimary Circuits In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b5a...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Tarver

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject 03/16/2007 03:23 Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in PMPrimary Circuits

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject 03/16/2007 03:23 Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in PMPrimary Circuits

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject 03/16/2007 03:23 Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in PMPrimary Circuits

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Jody: UL 60950-1 1st Ed., clause 1.5.6 ('Capacitors in primary circuits') says: 'A capacitor connected between two line conductors of the PRIMARY CIRCUIT, or between one line conductor and the neutral conductor, shall comply with IEC 60384-14:1993, subclass X1 or X2.' The electrolytic

Re: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b5a...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: §1.5.6 looks at X and Y capacitors, and those connected between the primary circuit and earth. The cathode of the electrolytic capacitor

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Jody Leber Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:38 AM The electrolytic capacitor that sits between the rectifier and transformer in SMPS is typically not an agency approved component. Where is this exemption documented in 60950-1, Clause 1.5.6? Jody - Sorry about the earlier e-mail.

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Pardon me, my response to Jody was sent prematurely. Please disregard it. Peter CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the

RE: Electrolytic Capacitors in Primary Circuits

2007-03-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Leber Jody Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:38 AM The electrolytic capacitor that sits between the rectifier and transformer in SMPS is typically not an agency approved component. Where is this exemption documented in 60950-1, Clause 1.5.6? Which requirement were you referring to for