Re: fan question

2003-09-22 Thread richhug...@aol.com
Jim, You have answered your own point. It doesn't matter if you raise the bar by one notch or ten, at the end of the day you are still talking about liability REDUCTION when it comes to meeting product safety standards. As you say, shxx happens. Agreed, and this is one reason why reputable

Re: 100 Base-T Hub

2003-09-22 Thread neve...@comcast.net
Kevin, I can't name a vendor, but I will try to help with some advices. Probably all Ethernet hubs will show susceptibility during EFT, in which some data packets will be lost. The EFT happens to have large spectral amplitudes right in the middle of the 100 Base-T Ethernet signal

RE: Load Cells for Radiated Susceptibility Testing

2003-09-22 Thread Mike Cantwell
Goto http://www.vishay.com/load-cells/ Vishay has pretty much bought everyone that makes load cells. Tedea Huntleigh is the most well known. As far as using them in a harsh environment, the signals are differential with shielded cables. I know they work quite well up to 10 or 20V/m, but I don't

Re: GFI Question Follow-up

2003-09-22 Thread Scott Douglas
John, In my case, there does not seem to be any connection. While we have had high humidity and temperatures outside, there has not been anything much over 85 degrees and/or 80% inside. The last episode of trips was around 68 degrees and 60%. Scott John Woodgate wrote: I read in !emc-pstc

100 Base-T Hub

2003-09-22 Thread Kevin Harris
Good Members, I'm having some issues getting together a decent test set up for immunity testing when I have a network connection at 100 Base -T. I've had several hubs in the lab but I can't get one to even pass level 1 EFT testing ( for CE EMC testing) . Would any of you be able to recommend a

Re: Load Cells for Radiated Susceptibility Testing

2003-09-22 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/22/2003 1:10:21 PM Central Daylight Time, tdonne...@act-sys.com writes: Group, I have an application where I need to load an actuator, and monitor the load, during EMI testing. I have to meet DO-160D, and MIL-STD-461E, which will include 200 V/m Radiated Susceptibility.

Re: GFI Question Follow-up

2003-09-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net wrote (in 3f6f2d9e.5070...@ptcnh.net) about 'GFI Question Follow-up' on Mon, 22 Sep 2003: When I went to experiment, the shredder had not been tripping the GFI. I gave up and about a week later it tripped 3 times in a row. Is there any

RE: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [ mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Arcing Sparking I suggest that an arc is something continuous and producing light or illumination. A spark

Re: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter L. Tarver peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com wrote (in nebbkemlgllmjofmopleoehhelaa.peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com) about 'Arcing Sparking' on Mon, 22 Sep 2003: I have always related arcing to having end-points: having at least two electrodes and involving electrical

RE: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Brian Epstein
My understanding is that a spark is the result of an electric discharge through ionized air. An arc actually contains vaporized metal from the contacts and has phenomena like flash and blast that are not associated with sparks. Best regards, Brian Epstein Sr Regulatory Compliance Engineer Veeco

Re: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread hansm
Essentially, an arc is sustainable and a spark is not. A spark is the onset of an arc. Whether it becomes sustainable or not, has to do with the supply of charges and electric field potential. An arc, once formed, becomes very low in resistance and impedance akin to a metal conductor. The

RE: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
I suggest that an arc is something continuous and producing light or illumination. A spark is something abrupt and short lived. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: Speakman, Jim [mailto:jim.speak...@uk.thalesgroup.com] Sent: September 22, 2003

RE: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Peter L. Tarver
I have always related arcing to having end-points: having at least two electrodes and involving electrical conduction. Arc \Arc\ ([aum]rk), v. i. [imp. p. p. {Arcked} ([aum]rkt); p. pr. vb. n. {Arcking}.] (Elec.) To form a voltaic arc, as an electrical current in a broken or disconnected

Load Cells for Radiated Susceptibility Testing

2003-09-22 Thread Donnelly, Thomas
Group, I have an application where I need to load an actuator, and monitor the load, during EMI testing. I have to meet DO-160D, and MIL-STD-461E, which will include 200 V/m Radiated Susceptibility. Has anyone had experience using load cells in this environment? Any suggestions on vendors?

Re: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Ken Javor
This is totally my interpretation, not meant to be be authoritative. To me a spark is an incandescent piece of matter, which can be incandescent for any number of reasons, including but hardly limited to electrical - I have a curtain in front of my fireplace to keep sparks from flying out and

An Arc or A Spark?

2003-09-22 Thread Scott Douglas
Fellow Listees, According to Merriam-Webster Online: An arc is a sustained luminous discharge of electricity across a gap in a circuit or between electrodes whereas A spark is a luminous disruptive electrical discharge of very short duration between two conductors separated by a gas (as

GFI Question Follow-up

2003-09-22 Thread Scott Douglas
Hello Group, A follow-up to my question why does my paper shredder trip the GFI outlet. I received 7 responses to my original note. For that I thank you all. The consensus seemed to indicate the shredder is noisy and probably on the hairy edge of fault current. And, that adding some line cord

Re: Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Fred Townsend
I have never seen a really definitive statement about arcs and sparks however I tend to think of sparks as transient ( as in spark plugs) and arcs as sustained (as in arc lamps). Does that make sense? Fred Townsend Speakman, Jim wrote: Fellow Listers At a recent equipment design review, a

Re: More profound than a joke

2003-09-22 Thread Cortland Richmond
Vic Gibling wrote Was the man matching the assistants humour/sarcasms? OR Was he ignoring the warnings, it's not going to happen to him? OR Was he making a rational risk assessment based on the information provided by the manufacturer? I'm in California. I sometimes hear an anti-smoking

Arcing Sparking

2003-09-22 Thread Speakman, Jim
Fellow Listers At a recent equipment design review, a discussion on arcing and sparking indicated a lack of definitive knowledge of the difference between an 'arc' and a 'spark'. Is an 'arc', basically just a long 'spark'. If so, at what point (precisely) does a 'spark' become an 'arc'? Have

Re: More profound than a joke

2003-09-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gibling, Vic vic.gibl...@e2vtechnologies.com wrote (in 4f826f960057d4118ec3009027e245380946d...@whl17.eev.uk) about 'More profound than a joke' on Mon, 22 Sep 2003: In the UK cigarette packaging includes a large information message indicating the health risks associated

RE: More profound than a joke

2003-09-22 Thread King, Richard
Were it not for the risks associated with passive smoking, I would say the customer made a wise choice if he intents to consume the product himself. He has chosen a brand who's associated risk (as stated on the product) cannot affect *him* personally. :o) IANASP (I am not a safety

More profound than a joke

2003-09-22 Thread Gibling, Vic
In the UK cigarette packaging includes a large information message indicating the health risks associated with using the product. The following dialogue would have been funny had it not been true. Could I have a packet of 20 cigarettes please?, the man asked. What would you like? the