Re: [PSES] ISM-use of a non-ISM frequency

2015-01-20 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Are there alternate medical equipment EMC standards (i.e., 60601-x series) that would give you more leeway? Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Product Safety and Compliance Engineer - Original Message - From: Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent:

[PSES] Covered essential requirements annex - EN 60825-1:2007

2015-01-20 Thread Crane, Lauren
Experts, EN 60825-1:2007 is currently listed to the LVD as providing presumption of conformity. I was expecting to find, but do not see, an Annex in EN 60825-1:2007 stating which LVD essential requirements it addresses. EN 60825-1:2014 is published but is not yet listed to the LVD. It also

Re: [PSES] SELV rated power supplies

2015-01-20 Thread Scott Aldous
For the power supplies that are certified by UL under category code QQGQ2, UL does have a standardized table format on their online cert directory that includes a code they call the Output Category. The intent is to identify those supplies that have been evaluated for SELV output, or other types

Re: [PSES] SELV rated power supplies

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
Mr. Nute's response is significant and is worthy of re-emphasis. And Mr. Woodgate answered this same question to Mr. Nyffenegger previously: The power supply as a whole cannot claim that unless ALL its outputs meet the SELV requirements. But it does meet the requirements for safety

Re: [PSES] Design by committee disasters!

2015-01-20 Thread Ken Javor
Have to disagree with Doug, and do so with some trepidation. The original LISN was a 5 uH model designed for use on 28 Vdc power modeling an aircraft power-distribution system. Typical application was in a shield room utilizing filtered power, or at least a dedicated 28 Vdc power supply, so I

Re: [PSES] Design by committee disasters!

2015-01-20 Thread Ed Price
Remember that the LISN started out in the pre-semiconductor age, so LISN transients were much less of a danger. My major concern in using LISN's was that I was usually testing large military systems, and the test specimens were often rather buggy when they reached my lab. Unexpected modes and

Re: [PSES] Design by committee disasters!

2015-01-20 Thread Ken Javor
Note MIL-STD-461 requires a 20 dB pad at the LISN port. With a minimum limit of 60 dBuV compared to the old FCC 48 dBuV, that works out fine. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Ed Price edpr...@cox.net Reply-To: Ed Price edpr...@cox.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:00:53 -0800 To:

Re: [PSES] Design by committee disasters!

2015-01-20 Thread Doug Powell
I would agree as well. However, it is possible to put heavy filtering (capacitive) ahead of the LISN on the utility side to help absorb transients of external origin. If the EUT/DUT generates transients you could be in trouble. A simple 30 amp three phase contactor can cause this very problem.

[PSES] Design by committee disasters!

2015-01-20 Thread Doug Smith
Hi All, Here are some thoughts of mine on two examples of design-by-committee in the EMC field which ended, in my opinion, a poor outcome: First, is the LISN (line impedance stabilization network), used in conducted emissions testing. I cant believe that a

Re: [PSES] SELV rated power supplies

2015-01-20 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Dear all, Please check below link. I must say I do not agree with last paragraph on page 7, since they do not consider internally generated high voltages. Even the input is SELV, internally there might he high voltages generated and therefore by having only functional insulation in-out, fault

Re: [PSES] ISM-use of a non-ISM frequency

2015-01-20 Thread CR
On 1/20/2015 12:20 PM, Mike Sherman - Original Message - wrote: Are there alternate medical equipment EMC standards (i.e., 60601-x series) that would give you more leeway? Said what I was thinking. It's for a medical use, yes? You said it MUST use a particular frequency (which BTW