RE: Electroshock exercising devices ...

2001-08-22 Thread Matsuda, Ken
Actually, I have experienced such a unit at my former chiropractor, and it actually felt pretty good to loosen my back before the back adjustment session. I was really astonished to see a UL mark on this unit, especially on the front panel. Note that this unit was a line connected unit, rather

RE: Electroshock exercising devices ...

2001-08-22 Thread Art Michael
Hello PSTC-ers Further and contrary to the ideal requisites noted below by Richard Woods, TENS and Muscle Stimulators ARE sold, via mail-order from the back of Muscle-builder magazines (without any restrictions or need for prescriptions). They can also be found in shops in most any Chinatown

RE: Electroshock exercising devices ...

2001-08-22 Thread WOODS
TENS units (Transcutaneous electronic nerve stimulation) are widely used to treat pain. Muscle stimulators work on the same principle. Nerves will activate (e.g., muscle contraction) with an e-field of 1.2 V/m. Here is a spec for a typical TENS: Pulse amplitude: 0-80 ma, adjustable Pulse freq.:

Re: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread Doug McKean
Raymond, I've been in such a position where we contested hi-pot testing each and every AC power cable which was sent with every product during production line testing. There were two basic reasons: one, for the reason you've suggested possibly introducing a failure. Second, the time

Old Appends on Hi-Pot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread georgea
Roughly one year ago, there were a number of excellent appends to this listserver on the basis for hi-potting, and what is and is not proven by the hi-pot test. The recent discussion makes these of current interest for those wanting a better understanding of the electric strength tests cited

Re: TS0098/96 ?

2001-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Kim Boll Jensen kim.jen...@eicon.com wrote (in 7B3DBD648709D5119E870002A528BE6C156948@BVDEXCHANGE) about 'TS0098/96 ?', on Wed, 22 Aug 2001: Can som one help me. One of our costumers wants a Surge test according to TS0098/96 Part 1 issue Feb. 98. If your client is asking

Re: FTEG

2001-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter Merguerian pmerguer...@itl.co.il wrote (in 2D1037012914D4118DB8204C4F4F50202D5CF4@ITLLTD01) about 'FTEG', on Wed, 22 Aug 2001: What is FTEG and how does someone declares compliance? How is it related to the RTTE? Where did you find that acronym? If your client is

Re: Vertical Ground Plane

2001-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) ken_h...@hp.com wrote (in 6bd67ffb937fd411a04f00d0b74fe878026ee...@xrose06.rose.hp.com ) about 'Vertical Ground Plane', on Wed, 22 Aug 2001: By the way, we have extensive test data that indicates insignificant difference between conducted

Re: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk wrote (in of5099731c.c8b3ec7a-on48256ab0.004e0...@omnisourceasia.com.hk) about 'Manufacturing Hipot Testing', on Wed, 22 Aug 2001: I have read one BSEN standard suggesting not to perform hipot testing at the test voltage, 3kV, 1.25kV or

Electroshock exercising devices ...

2001-08-22 Thread Doug McKean
These things have been around for a while, IIRC. Basically, you hook up a pad or pads to places on your body, adjust the level of muscle contraction you think you need, and off you go exercising your muscles while you ... walk the dog, read a book, ... I have several questions: 1. How

RE: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread Stone, Richard A (Richard)
I don't see where that proves anything ( 1/2 voltage testing) using voltage applicable to product is required. Testing for one second checks for shorts and miswiring or spacings that may have been decreased due to workmanship. Richard, -Original Message- From:

Re: FTEG

2001-08-22 Thread Ted . Eckert
FTEG is the transposition of the RTTE directive into German law. It is an acronym for Funkanlagen und Telekommunikationsendeinrichtungen Gesetz. (Forgive me if I have made any spelling mistakes in the German name.) Compliance with the RTTE directive implies compliance with FTEG. Ted Eckert

Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread georgea
Raymond, The standards (e.g. IEC 60950 section 5.3.2) allow production hi-pot testing to be reduced to 1 sec., but does not address any change in voltage, up or down. It usually takes more than 1 sec. for a hi-pot to ramp up, stabilize, then ramp down. We used to use about 3 secs to ensure

RE: Euro Agency Marks vs. CE Marking

2001-08-22 Thread Yow, Steve (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA)
Very well put, I would have to say. Steve Yow -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:40 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Euro Agency Marks vs. CE Marking Earlier exchange. In Europe, there are

RE: Vertical Ground Plane

2001-08-22 Thread HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)
Hello, The vertical ground plane is referred to/required in CISPR22:1997 for conducted emissions if the EUT is on a table 80 CM from the floor. If the table is 40 CM from the ground plane it is not required. See figures 4 through 6 of CISPR22:1997. In ANSI it is optional. This requirement is the

Re: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread Raymond . Li
Dear All, I have read one BSEN standard suggesting not to perform hipot testing at the test voltage, 3kV, 1.25kV or 3.75kV in mass production. The reason is that it might introduce potential failure in future operation by the customer not immediate failure. It also suggests if hipot testing

TS0098/96 ?

2001-08-22 Thread Kim Boll Jensen
Hi Can som one help me. One of our costumers wants a Surge test according to TS0098/96 Part 1 issue Feb. 98. Where do I find this standard and what is the data of the surge test, is it like an ITU or FCC surge puls ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Approval manager Eicon Networks Denmark

FTEG

2001-08-22 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear All, What is FTEG and how does someone declares compliance? How is it related to the RTTE? PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175

Euro Agency Marks vs. CE Marking

2001-08-22 Thread georgea
Earlier exchange. In Europe, there are no longer any 'national approvals' like the old SEMKO etc. There is ONLY the Low Voltage Directive, and the European Standards (ENs) that have been 'notified' in the Official Journal as providing evidence of compliance. Not so,

Re: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Colgan, Chris chris.col...@tagmclaren.com wrote (in AE0F4BD08FEAD211895900805FE67B1FD6CAC3@CAT) about 'Manufacturing Hipot Testing', on Wed, 22 Aug 2001: Well, you have come to the right conclusion but for two wrong reasons. In Europe, there are no longer any

RE: Manufacturing Hipot Testing

2001-08-22 Thread Colgan, Chris
Well, you have come to the right conclusion but for two wrong reasons. In Europe, there are no longer any 'national approvals' like the old SEMKO etc. There is ONLY the Low Voltage Directive, and the European Standards (ENs) that have been 'notified' in the Official Journal as

RE: Vertical Ground Plane

2001-08-22 Thread ari . honkala
CISPR 22 allows either VCP or HCP, it's your choice. Ari Honkala Nokia -Original Message- From: ext Cook, Jack [mailto:jack.c...@cax.usa.xerox.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Vertical Ground Plane Joe, Ref. ANSI

RE: Vertical Ground Plane

2001-08-22 Thread Cook, Jack
Joe, Ref. ANSI C63.4: 1992, para. 5.2.2. The VGP is not required for a floor standing EUT. And on an open area test site, it's optional for a tabletop EUT (but preferred in case of dispute). Has this changed? Sorry, this doesn't answer your question re CISPR 16 but I felt a clarification was

Vertical Ground Plane

2001-08-22 Thread MartinJP
ANSI 63.4 clearly specifies the requirements for a vertical ground plane when performing conducted emissions measurements. I was unable to find such clarifications when reviewing CISPR 16. Do the CISPR standards require a vertical ground plane for conducted emissions? If so, where is this