RE: Potentially Explosive Atmospheres

2002-02-22 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal
Hi Ron, One set of warning guidelines exists in UL 913 (standard for intrinsically safe equipment) cl. 17doesn't address cell phone use specifically but directly addresses the batteries. NEC Article 500 invokes the need to address the fact that batteries in portable electronic equipment can

Re: Flame rating

2002-02-22 Thread T.Sato
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:03:59 +0100, Pierre SELVA \(eLABs\) e.l...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Can somebody remember me this classification using 5VA, 5VB, ... ? and what are the equivalence (if any) with the classification defined by UL94 ? I know the classification HB, V2, V1, V0, 5V, but I cannot

RE: Potentially Explosive Atmospheres

2002-02-22 Thread Robert Wilson
This may seem like a dumb question, but how would a cellphone pose a hazard? I am unaware of anything in a cellphone that can cause any kind of a spark or arc that might start combustion in such an atmosphere. Certainly none of the keypad contacts could cause a problem. Bob Wilson TIR Systems

RE: 60950 SFC

2002-02-22 Thread Gregg Kervill
We are required (by the standards, general morality, legal liability, etc) to ensure that products will remain 'safe' under worst case conditions. Hence we spend much soul-searching to evaluate and to test under 'worst-case' conditions. Fuzing in most countries is generally via a 16 A CB or

Re: 60950 SFC

2002-02-22 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brian O'Connell boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in f7e9180f6f7f5840858d3db815e4f7ad1f2...@cms21.t-yuden.com) about '60950 SFC', on Fri, 22 Feb 2002: My notes from an agency (60950) seminar state that fault conditions shall be done with 16A installation fuses. I cannot find

RE: AC 97

2002-02-22 Thread Greilich, Jeff
Darrell: With respect to your radiated emissions dilemna, useful information would be the clock speeds, cable lengths, and worst-case mode of operation at which emissions are the highest. Generally, if you invoke the divide and conquer rule, it should be an easier matter pinpointing the dominant

60950 SFC

2002-02-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
Good People of PSTC My notes from an agency (60950) seminar state that fault conditions shall be done with 16A installation fuses. I cannot find any clause in EN60950:2000 or UL60950, 3d Ed with this requirement. Is this test requirement in one the stds listed in 60950, or am I blind? R/S,

RE: AC 97

2002-02-22 Thread Hare, Paul
The source may be differential, but common mode currents generally contribute much more to radiated emissions, especially with cables... It sounds like you have cable radiation (100MHz) as well as maybe slot radiation (600MHz)... Tell us more about your device's test setup... (i.e. chassis and

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Gary McInturff
Well, just briefly. The backwards UR is a component recognition. It can be used in a end unit only if the conditions of acceptability that are placed in the UL report are met. E. G. Power supplies would have obvious things like the end use product must provide and adequate fire

Re: New China Compulsory Certification Scheme

2002-02-22 Thread Art Michael
Hello Rich et al, If you visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and click on the acronym CCC you will be taken to a page where the official documentation resides (pdf files, in English) and, there's no need to register to gain this valuable and useful information. And, the new China

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Bill Ellingford
A very quick and basic summary: Very roughly speaking, the UL marks can be interpretted as follows. (OK there are pages and pages of jargon attached to each but the quick messy answers are): the UL, UL listed and CUL listed products are those that have been tested at a UL test facility and

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Brian Epstein
You don't know the half of it. Check out the following: http://www.ul.com/mark/ Best regards, Brian Epstein Sr Regulatory Compliance Engineer Veeco Metrology 112 Robin Hill Rd Santa Barbara CA 93117 805-967-2700 x2315 brian.epst...@veeco.com mailto:brian.epst...@veeco.com -Original

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Wenzel, Kati
Chris Here is a great link that describes the different UL marks. http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html Kati Wenzel -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC Internet Forum Subject: Different shades of UL

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Allan, James
Chris: you probably will get this question answered by many people. go to the following link and you will find all you need http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html Jim Allan Manager, Engineering Services Kentrox LLC 1619 N Harrison Parkway Sunrise, FL, 33323 E-mail james_al...@milgo.com Phone (954)

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread richwoods
UL has a page entitled UL's Marks -- What they look like and what they mean http://www.ul.com/mark/ Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Peter Merguerian
Chris, See attached link which might be helpful to you. The information may be found in UL's site http://www.ul.com TGIF! PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Dave Lorusso
Chris, Your best bet is to get it from the source at: http://www.ul.com/mark/ Best regards, Dave Lorusso Director of Product Integrity General Bandwidth, Inc. 12303 Technology Blvd. Austin, TX 78727 512-681-5480 (phone) 512-681-5481 (fax) dave.loru...@genband.com www.genband.com

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Andrew Carson
Chris Try this web address, it explains all the various UL marks and what they mean. http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html Andrew Carson - Senior Compliance Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell

Re: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread ooverton
Chris, Go to the following site and it explains it very well with examples. http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html The information not covered are the : product type (e.g., I.T.E.) (there is a lot of variation allowed here), 4 character Listing Mark Control Number (LMCN) which is a

AC 97

2002-02-22 Thread Darrell Locke
Esteemed Colleages; Has anyone had experience using Audio-Codec '97 (AC 97) topology with respect to EMC performance. It is commonly used in PC sound cards. We have a device that incorporates this technology for voice recognition and are seeing very high emissions between 100-600 MHz. The

Re: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread LeeSchmitz
Chris, The RU is the Recognized mark. It is applicable to products that are incomplete in construction features or limited performance capabilities so as not to warrant their acceptability as a field installed component. This mark does not look like a UL mark because it is not for public or

Re: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Chris, Explain, no. But, you will find the answer to your question at: http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html There, you should be able to find every kind of UL mark, and then some. Each has has a short description. I hope this helps. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com

RE: Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread John Juhasz
try this Chris. It'll explain all. http://www.ul.com/mark/index.html John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC Internet Forum Subject: Different shades of UL Hi

RE: Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor

2002-02-22 Thread Mike Hopkins
Gas discharge tubes can be very complex devices and have a number of specifications. Normally the voltage spec that you see is the DC specification, in other words, the firing voltage if the voltage is slowly ramped up (2kV/second is on rate used); however, the impulse voltage -- the voltage at

Different shades of UL

2002-02-22 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi all, I know that this has been covered before. But please indulge my ignorance. There are many different forms of UL marks, each with subtle differences. There is the UL in a circle. There is also the mirror lettered RU. There are also some subscripts denoting approval for Canada as

RE: Potentially Explosive Atmospheres

2002-02-22 Thread Andrew Carson
Robert Any radio source can prove hazardous in explosive atmospheres. Metal work of the right shape and size can act as an antenna, then all that is required is momentary discontinuity, or a momentary return path to ground and a spark will form. The petrochemical industrial have been aware of