Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message ACFE8725C09E4C9D914806F7175A467F@RichardHPdv6, dated Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: I look forward to your comments on compliance costing too much. For marketing people, *everything* they don't understand costs too much.(;-) They can understand a pretty

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Management considers anything that has no direct impact on sales as a cost. Everything that boosts sales or lowers costs (=profit) is an investment. As long as the performance of companies is calculated on a basis of direct profit (sales minus costs) only, in other words as long as

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
How about my shirt from ThinkGeek.com that lights up in the presence of a WiFi signal? ☺ Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:41 AM To: ri...@ieee.org;

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Chan Moore
How does that shirt hold up through the washer and dryer? Chan From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM To: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen; ri...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Compliance

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Sundstrom, Michael
I’ll bet shockingly well! Michael Sundstrom OHD TREQ Dallas Electronic Lab Analyst EMC Lead (214) 579 6312 office (940) 390 3644 cell KB5UKT From: Chan Moore [mailto:cmo...@brocade.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:05 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Compliance costs

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread howardji
Dry clean only On 3/30/12 9:05 AM, Chan Moore cmo...@brocade.com wrote: How does that shirt hold up through the washer and dryer? Chan From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM To: ce-test, qualified testing bv -

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
I haven’t washed it. Only wore it for a few minutes to firmly establish my geek status at home (like that needed any help). ☺ Ghery S. Pettit From: Chan Moore [mailto:cmo...@brocade.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:05 AM To: Pettit, Ghery; ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen;

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Thomas Cokenias
I used to work at FCC Lab and they have ways of getting your attention. One story as I remember it: Back in the mid 80's there was an IBM clone computer company named (I believe) Columbia Data Products, at the time located in Columbia MD, They were heavily advertising their latest

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Barron, Manny (IS)
I used to manage an outside EMI test lab. About 15 years ago I remember one well known client who needed to pass FCC Class B but his product utilized a plastic case (not metalized nor conductive finish, but fully plastic). When his product failed he started adding [many] ferrite beads to the

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Kevin Robinson
Contrasting your story. I used to work at a safety testing laboratory and one of my clients came in with his product that incorporated a custom designed power supply. I told him that the custom supply would add considerable cost and time to the certification project and asked him why he did not

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Barron, Manny (IS)
Hi Ghery, I thought you were joking about the Wi-Fi Tee Shirt. But it's real at the link you provided – except they're out of stock. Every size, from S to XXL is out of stock – with no ETA on new inventory. These would be great to wear when doing IEC61000-4-3 or RS103 testing. Bummer! Manny

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
No joke. Sorry they’re out of stock. They are funny. I’m not sure how selective they are on frequency response. Guess I ought to bring it into work and test it some time. ☺ Ghery S. Pettit From: Barron, Manny (IS) [mailto:manny.bar...@ngc.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:59 PM To:

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Knudsen, Patricia
I worked at one company where an upper management-type was complaining about the cost of EMC testing. Him: Show me the regulation that says we have to do this. Me: Here's a printout of the FCC requirements. Him: This says Code of Federal Regulations. We're in California; do we have to

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message -7512833327002751047@unknownmsgid, dated Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Kevin Robinson kevinrobinso...@gmail.com writes: When I pointed out that the certified supply would add only $100 to the production run vs several thousand for the additional testing he said that he did not care as

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Thomas Cokenias
Him still there or at a job offering fries with that? On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Knudsen, Patricia wrote: I worked at one company where an upper management-type was complaining about the cost of EMC testing. Him: Show me the regulation that says we have to do this. Me: Here's a

Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.

2012-03-30 Thread Bill Owsley
I've seen that done many times... From: Barron, Manny (IS) manny.bar...@ngc.com To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Compliance costs too much. I used to manage an outside EMI test lab.