Him still there or at a job offering fries with that? On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Knudsen, Patricia wrote:
> I worked at one company where an upper management-type was complaining about > the cost of EMC testing. > > Him: "Show me the regulation that says we have to do this." > Me: "Here's a printout of the FCC requirements." > Him: "This says Code of Federal Regulations. We're in California; do we > have to meet this?" > > He said it in a room full of people, too. > > Patty Knudsen > Product Safety Engineering > > TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE > WORK: 858-485-3748 > EMAIL : [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Cokenias [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] "Compliance costs too much." > > I used to work at FCC Lab and they have ways of getting your attention. One > story as I remember it: > > Back in the mid 80's there was an IBM clone computer company named (I > believe) Columbia Data Products, at the time located in Columbia MD, They > were heavily advertising their latest computer soon to come on the market, > had a warehouse full of product just waiting for the FCC certification > process to be completed at the FCC Lab (also in Columbia MD). > > Alas, they failed sample testing several times, and the application was > denied. And they could not come up with a way to retrofit the design, much > less the products in the warehouse, so that they would meet the Part 15 > limits. > > The FCC issued a non-compliance letter. The local paper had an article > showing the destruction of the warehouse samples, with photo of bulldozers > crushing and otherwise rendering useless all the would- be merchandise. > Pretty impressive. I was working in private sector lab when this happened - > the article was a great sales tool with customers who balked at the expense > of doing all that testing... > > Tom Cokenias > > T.N. Cokenias Consulting > P.O. Box 1086 > El Granada CA 94018 > > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Richard Nute wrote: > >> I once worked with an EMC engineer who measured the performance of >> himself and his time by the cost of the components that were used in >> the equipment solely for the purpose of EMC control. >> >> His objective was to reduce the cost of compliance by advising >> designers of careful layout so as to minimize the need for EMC >> components. >> >> Safety is a bit different because many safety components are also >> functional components. >> Nevertheless, a ground wire can be eliminated if double-insulation is >> employed. In this example, a cost trade-off between the power cord >> and the extra insulation. But, these days, most primary circuit >> designs are indeed double-insulated as transformers simply don't use >> internal shields. >> >> Enclosures... only needed for primary circuits and secondary circuits >> exceeding 30 V. (Yes, you still want an enclosure, but not for >> safety!) >> >> Etc. So, compliance should not cost too much. >> >> I look forward to your comments on compliance costing too much. >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to >> <[email protected]> >> >> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: >> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html >> >> Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at >> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in >> well-used formats), large files, etc. >> >> Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ >> Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html >> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html >> >> For help, send mail to the list administrators: >> Scott Douglas <[email protected]> >> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> >> >> For policy questions, send mail to: >> Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> >> David Heald: <[email protected]> > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > <[email protected]> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <[email protected]> > Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> > David Heald: <[email protected]> > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > <[email protected]> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <[email protected]> > Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> > David Heald: <[email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
