[PSES] Spread Spectrum clocking and adverse WIFI effects

2013-08-30 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hello all, Spread spectrum clocking has a *wonderful* effect on radiated emissions especially DDR generated noise. My question is: Given the high degree of integration in today's products: Does anyone have concrete experiences of degraded WiFi performance as a result of using SSC? Best

[PSES] Using existing WiFi FCC data for new FCCID - Yes or No?

2013-08-30 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hello, Given: A product that has a front panel and a main board. The front panel (along with USB and other electronics) also includes the WiFI circuitry and antenna connectors. The main board also integrates (on board) a RF4CE radio for remote functionality. Scenario: As the result of a cost

Re: [PSES] Spread Spectrum clocking and adverse WIFI effects

2013-08-30 Thread Ken Javor
Just some basic observations. In order for a dithered clock to solve a regulatory problem, the frequency shift must be greater than the measurement bandwidth. In order for the dithered clock to solve an EMI problem, the frequency shift must be larger than the potential victim¹s bandwidth. In an

[PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Gartman, W. Richard
PSES network, I am looking at do due-diligence assessment of 3rd party labs that we use for EMC, Wireless, and product safety testing. There are the standard lab certifications: IEC17025, A4LA, NVLAP, IECEE CB Scheme, etc. I get many 3rd party reports from labs, that have the proper

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Brian Oconnell
The 2012 PSES Symposium had a session on the assessment of CABs and labs. But the presenter was influenced by space aliens, so information could have been compromised. Do not think that any of my PPT files made it to the disc, but may be online. Brian -Original Message- From:

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Truth from the lab. When January 12, 2014 rolls around any product you place on the market in the EU to which EN 61000-6-4 applies will have to have been shown to meet the standard with amendment A1:2011. Now, you need to know what the amendment changed. I don't know your product, nor do I

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread Crane, Lauren
Thanks for the helpful replies so far. I should clarify in this case the regulatory context is Korea – ENs are essentially equivalent to KNs. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: msherma...@comcast.net [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:18 PM To: Crane, Lauren Cc:

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
We require an on-site audit of the lab. 3rd party accreditation bodies aren't perfect. I've found cases where the documentation was in good shape, indicating that the assessor understood ISO/IEC 17025, but the test setups were wrong, indicating that either the assessor didn't understand the

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread mark gandler
Lauren, According to EU Directives all products to be placed on the market must comply with current regulations and applicable standards. There are 2 major sides to your question: did the product change? Did the requirements change? You must evaluate and access your product vs new/updated

Re: [PSES] Chart summarizing differences between versions of EN EMC standards?

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1356672946.2724071.1377891431090.javamail.r...@sz0110a.emeryville.ca.mai l.comcast.net, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, msherma...@comcast.net writes: Does anyone know of a chart or table or white paper that lists the differences between various versions of EN EMC standards?   Not for

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Lauren -- A similar thread is currently running on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/CISPR-22-24-compliance-update-2278131.S.269600494?view=gid=2278131type=memberitem=269600494trk=eml-anet_dig-b_nd-pst_ttle-cn Here is my comment on that thread, but I look forward to the

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message fe37b7a5275ae24195833ce152b33e432e6ed...@dlee08.ent.ti.com, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Gartman, W. Richard rgart...@ti.com writes: What I am looking for is, what beyond these certifications do you look for in a lab to consider it acceptable? I suspect that after seeing all the

[PSES] Chart summarizing differences between versions of EN EMC standards?

2013-08-30 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know of a chart or table or white paper that lists the differences between various versions of EN EMC standards? Specific example: what changed between 2006 and 2001 versions of EN 6000-6-2? thanks, Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. -

[PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread Crane, Lauren
Dear Experts, A test lab is suggesting that because EN61000-6-4:2007 will be superseded in 2014, all conforming products must be retested to the new standard, even if no changes have occurred in the product. Is this a fair claim? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message 63e38a5b081437478c77651f3d56c64f57f4f...@orsmsx102.amr.corp.intel.com, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com writes: I've found cases where the documentation was in good shape, indicating that the assessor understood ISO/IEC 17025, but the test setups were

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message 617eb8c8634c9149aa66c853d7b8ac5322b70...@ch1prd0310mb392.namprd03.prod.o utlook.com, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com writes: A test lab is suggesting that because EN61000-6-4:2007 will be superseded in 2014, all conforming products must be retested

Re: [PSES] RTTE example

2013-08-30 Thread T.Sato
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:44:35 +, Ian White (SXS UK) ian.wh...@uk.spiraxsarco.com wrote: If you have a control panel which has relays and various other control gear on, all mounted on a Din rail type construction this all comes under the LVD and EMC Directives. If you then include a

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Kevin Robinson
Full disclosure, I used to work at a test lab, and I now work for a government regulator that audits test labs. In most cases, as Richard said, test labs, except for possibly your small local labs have accreditations from multiple accreditation bodies, all auditing to some variant of

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Dward
Well, unfortunately it is too often that some labs just know how to pass an audit, but when it comes to testing, they fall very short. Far too many 'so called' good labs rely on instrumentation and simply do not question results. This leads to bad measurements, even though the lab is supposedly