RE: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-12 Thread jrbarnes
From my reading on the subject, EN 60950 has different Safety Extra-Low Voltage (SELV) limits for alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) because the human body reacts to them differently. AC makes your muscles contract, so you tend to hang onto the source of the electric shock. DC

Re: FCC Class A and Class B testing

2001-10-25 Thread jrbarnes
Cecil, With that low a price point for the Photo Color Printer, unless you have a completely weird interface you will not convince the FCC that it is an industrial-use-only device. Some consumers will want to buy it, so you will have to test to Class B. If you do a good job of designing the

RE: 10/100 base interface in a plastic box

2001-10-18 Thread jrbarnes
Gary, About 50% of our 100BASE-Tx cards require an additional 4-line common-mode choke between the transformer-filter and the RJ-45 connector, to meet Radiated Emissions limits with enough margin to satisfy our electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) folks. So we snuggle all three components as

Re: 10/100 base interface in a plastic box

2001-10-17 Thread jrbarnes
Jon, My department has developed ten generations of Ethernet adapters (10BASE2, 10BASE-T, 100BASE-Tx) for IBM/Lexmark printers since 1990. We have looked at, but so far have not used, integrated-magnetics connectors because we like having the option of putting a common-mode choke in between

Re: ESD Design, non-earthed products

2001-07-30 Thread jrbarnes
Alex, I have written an article for Printed Circuit Design magazine on Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity. Part 1 appeared on pages 18-26 of the July 2001 issue (volume 18 number 7), and Part 2 will be in the August issue. Printers and copiers can be quite nasty generators of

Re: [SI-LIST] : Shielding Effectivness Question

2001-06-06 Thread jrbarnes
Neven, To analyze the noise picked up by a wire that crosses a hole/slot in a shield, look at: [831] Lin, Guoxian, Electromagnetic Excitation of a Wire Crossing a Long Slot in an Infinite Plane, Electromagnetic Compatibility 1989, Zurich, Switzerland, Mar. 7-9, 1989, pp. 89-92. [938] Nakano,

Re: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU

2001-06-14 Thread jrbarnes
Paul, I can't cite the exact clauses, because another engineer has borrowed all my product safety standards, but UL 1950 has a deviation that calls for the primary plug of a device to be rated for 125% of the device's rated input current. UL applies this requirement to wall plugs, cordage, IEC

RE: Secondary Grounding

2001-05-31 Thread jrbarnes
Martin, I agree with Peter about designing even Class I (grounded) power supplies with Class II (double-insulated) internal construction. Our Product Safety folks require this, and have required it going back to our IBM Lexington days. The grounding of wall outlets can not be trusted in many

Re: Korean Power Cord ??????

2001-05-15 Thread jrbarnes
Gary, The best specifications that I have found are: * South Korea 220V +/-10%, 60Hz +/-4%. * North Korea 220V +6.8% -13.6%, 60Hz +0.0% -5.0%. We use linecords with Schuko (CEE7 VII) plugs for both countries. South Korea changed from a 110V 60Hz standard a few years ago. For several years

Re: AC Power Primer?

2001-05-09 Thread jrbarnes
Andrew Carson acar...@uk.xyratex.com wrote: With phase connected to the phase terminal and neutral connected to the neutral terminal, the international version was fine on the immunities. It was only when the PSU was connected to a phase to phase supply, or the phase and neutral reversed,

Re: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-24 Thread jrbarnes
: JRBARNES Mail) Glyn, I have submitted a 21-page article on Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity to Printed Circuit Design magazine. In my literature search, I read over 70 books and nearly 1300 articles/papers/standards/application notes on Electrostatic Discharge (ESD) and related subjects

Re: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-24 Thread jrbarnes
Glyn Garside(TUV) ggarside%us.tuv@interlock.lexmark.com on 04/21/2001 12:57:30 AM Please respond to Glyn Garside(TUV) ggarside%us.tuv@interlock.lexmark.com To: Douglas C. Smith doug%emcesd@interlock.lexmark.com cc: emc-pstc%ieee@interlock.lexmark.com,

RE: 950 Pollution degree detirmination

2001-04-02 Thread jrbarnes
The interpretation that IBM/Lexmark's safety folks have always given me is that Pollution Degree 1 applies to sealed units such as the inner layers of multilayer Printed Circuit Boards (PCB's) or potted modules. John Barnes Advisory Engineer

Re: Spacings from Shielded Enclosure to Floating GND

2001-02-20 Thread jrbarnes
Peter, I looked through some of my books last night and this morning, and found suggested spacings of: * Greater than 20mm, 8.4mm, 5mm, or 10mm between circuits and: - Points that a person could touch. - Ungrounded metal parts that a person could touch. * Greater than 2.2mm, 0.5mm,

RE: Product Robustness -- ESD

2001-02-12 Thread jrbarnes
Dwight, According to Keytek Instrument Corp.'sPulsed EMI Handbook the use of crossed-vane ESD simulators is covered by: * ANSI C63 (searching the Internet led me toAmerican National Standard Guide for Electrostatic Discharge Test Methodologies and Criteria for Electronic

Re:European connectors

2001-01-16 Thread jrbarnes
Jim, Daniel, CEE 7-7, CEE 7/7, and CEE7 VII all refer to the 250V 16A Schuko plug commonly used in Europe. http://www.internationalconfig.com/config_chart/index.htmshows it at the very top. John Barnes Advisory Engineer

Re: Site Correlation

2001-01-12 Thread jrbarnes
Joe, If the transmitting antenna (your product) and the receiving antenna were in free space, you pretty much could assume that the radiation falls off at 1/r^2, and thus use a 10.5dB correction factor between 10m and 3m measurements. (You might have to worry about near-field effects and antenna

RE: EN 61000-6-2 Table 2.3 inticates signal ports = 30 M +/- 1k v?

2001-01-05 Thread jrbarnes
Terry, I don't have a copy of EN 61000-6-2, but it sounds similar to the IBM Lightning Surge Susceptibility (LSS) test that we do on our network adapters during development/qualification. We LSS test all products that have: * Cables going outdoors through surge protectors, OR *

Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity-- Annotated Bibliography

2001-12-20 Thread jrbarnes
A recent query on this forum asked about the relative effectiveness of capacitors versus diodes for Electrostatic Discharge (ESD) protection. These are just two of over 220 topics covered in my article, Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity, which I wrote for Printed Circuit Design

Re: Crossed Vane ESD Simulator

2000-12-19 Thread jrbarnes
Sandy, IBM developed a Tabletop Electrostatic Discharge (ESD) test using a crossed-vane ESD simulator, which we still use here at Lexmark to supplement IEC 61000-4-2 ESD testing. (We used to be IBM Lexmark.) I just ran across an article about it a week ago in my research into methods of

RE: Coaxial cable

2000-11-07 Thread jrbarnes
Richard, The term that I ran across many times while researching my book was optical coverage-- as though you put a light bulb inside the shield and measured what percentage of its light leaked out. The basic assumptions are: 1. Electric and magnetic fields inside the shield are totally blocked

Re: Coaxial cable

2000-11-07 Thread jrbarnes
Sergio, A foil braid shield is quite common on high-speed cables. If a cable is properly terminated and you don't have common-mode problems, most of its radiated emissions will be from holes in the shield. Thus optical coverage, the percentage of the shield's nominal area that is actually

DC Fuse for Power Supply

2000-10-25 Thread jrbarnes
Doug, I ran into a problem in 1990 where we needed to add a primary fuse to a brick power supply, without changing the circuit board or the case. We had two holes in the circuit board where we could install a pigtailed fuse if we could find one that would meet UL and SEMKO requirements. (SEMKO

Re: Fwd:information regarding electromagnetic compatibility

2000-04-04 Thread jrbarnes
Evangelos Tonas wrote an article EM Shielding Effectiveness of Low-cost Architectural Shielding Materials that appeared in the 1997 ITEM. This article is available on the web at http://www.rbitem.com/ITEM_Publications/ITEM_Archives/I97art19.htm Table 1 shows that chicken wire can achieve: *

Re: Fwd:information regarding electromagnetic compatibility

2000-04-04 Thread jrbarnes
Gerald, R. Kenneth Keenan's book Digital Design for Interference Specifications (Vienna, Virginia: The Keenan Corporation, 1983) has some excellent advice for doing developmental tests in chapter 6. He tells: * How to do basic emissions tests using: - An AM broadcast receiver. - An FM

Re: Sizes for Power, Control and Signal Cords/Cables/Wires

2000-03-23 Thread jrbarnes

RE: Correction factor for power supply cords.

2000-03-10 Thread jrbarnes
Rick, We were developing the power supply for the Lexmark MarkNet Pro External Print Servers. The power supply has a Y-cable with: * A shrouded male IEC-320 sheet C14 connector on one end. * A female IEC-320 sheet C13 plug. * Soldered connections to the power supply card in the middle. This

Re: Correction factor for power supply cords.

2000-03-10 Thread jrbarnes
Kelly, UL 1950 has a D1 (more restrictive) deviation in clause 3.2.1 than IEC 950: Where equipment is intended to be connected to a source of supply by a power supply cord, the attachment plug shall be rated no less than 125 percent of the rated current of the equipment. We got into a tussle

Re: Correction factor for power supply cords.

2000-03-10 Thread jrbarnes
Kelly, UL 1950 has a D1 (more restrictive) deviation in clause 3.2.1: Where equipment is intended to be connected to a source of supply by a power supply cord, the attachment plug shall be rated no less than 125 percent of the rated current of the equipment. UL's interpretation of attachment

Re: Source for leadless high-voltage capacitors?

2000-03-09 Thread jrbarnes
Scott, Have you tried looking at high-voltage chip capacitors? AVX for example offers up to 18,000pF at 3000V and 5600pF at 4000V in a 3640 (nominally 0.36 x 0.40 footprint) package in an X7R dielectric. See pages 20 to 24 of the AVX Multilayer Ceramic Chip Capacitor catalog.

Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity

2001-11-17 Thread jrbarnes
The second half of my article, Designing Electronic Equipment for ESD Immunity, has just been posted on Printed Circuit Design magazine's website. The full article is now available on line: * Part 1 athttp://www.pcdmag.com/story/OEG20010928S0122 * Part 2 at

Re: Australian electricity supply

1999-04-29 Thread jrbarnes
Chris, The 1996 World Electricity Supplies shows Australia as : * 50Hz +/-0.1% frequency. * 415/240V or 240/120V +/-6% for households. * 415/240V or 480/240V +/-6% for commercial. * 22kV, 11kV, or 6.6kV +/- 6% for industrial. The 1991 edition of Electric Current Abroad shows: * Albany,

Re: NEAR/ FAR FIELD CORRELATION ISSUES

1999-06-18 Thread jrbarnes
Even now, correlation between 3 meters and 10 meters is not guaranteed. And further, 3 meter to 10 meter correlation is at least better (define better anyway you wish) in the horizontal. Vertically it's terrible (define terrible anyway you wish). At least in my experience. Doug, In our 3m

Re: voltage on Neutral line

1999-06-29 Thread jrbarnes
What voltages can I expect on the Neutral (referenced to ground) line in various countries and connection systems? Is there a limit on how high the voltage may be, both in normal and fault conditions? Moshe, THE's booklet, World Electricity Supplies, lists the supply voltage, frequency, and

Re: Operating Tolerance

1999-11-11 Thread jrbarnes
Jess, Most of my reference sources show the US as 120VAC +/-5% 60Hz +/-0.3% and Argentina as 220VAC +/-10% 50Hz +/-2%. The 1996 World Electricity Supplies shows: * Charlotte, North Carolina as 120VAC +5-2.5% 60Hz +/-0.06%. * Detroit, Michigan as 120VAC +4-6.6% 60Hz +/-0.2%. * Los Angeles,

EMC Testing of Equipment Built In-House

1999-08-24 Thread jrbarnes
About a week ago one of the participants on this mailing list asked whether equipment built in-house, for a company's internal use, had to be safety and electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) tested. I just started reading Tim Williams' book EMC for Product Designers (second edition)

Re: EN50082-1:1997 EN55024

1999-08-19 Thread jrbarnes
In another life, I was working for a EMC Test lab and we always used the step by step procedure which was in the ESD Standard. We tested using this procedure for years and we did encounter some products who failed at low level ESD but had no problem at higher levels. We wondered what to conclude

Are Safety Approvals Required for Telephone Adapters?

1999-04-28 Thread jrbarnes
We are looking at Telephone Adapters, such as those made by TeleAdapt ( http://www.teleadapt.com/web/Catalogue/Index), to go from an RJ-11 plug to phone jacks for the following countries: (Embedded image moved to file: pic14566.pcx) We have seen some adapters with UL, TUV, and CE marks. The

Re: Heat Calculation

1999-04-27 Thread jrbarnes
According to a table of Conversion Factors that I found on page 18 of the December 1991 Electrical Manufacturing magazine, and keep stashed in my dictionary here at work: Watts * 3.413 = BTU's/hour I use the maximum input power (wattage) that we have measured for a product in its various

Re: IEC 950 Insulation Requirements

1999-04-12 Thread jrbarnes
Donald, The numeric suffixes key Table 0.1 to Figure 5A: * OP1 through OP6 are all OPERATIONAL INSULATION (clause 1.2.9.1) which does not provide protection from electric shock. * B1 through B8 are all BASIC INSULATION (clause 1.2.9.2) which provides one level of protection from electric shock.

Re: HAR Cordage - Who needs it?

1999-03-24 Thread jrbarnes
Ron, As a product developer, my major concern was getting the Lexmark Marknet XLe approved worldwide. From my viewpoint HAR approval of the jumper cord was equivalent to a bunch of individual country approvals. But Feller is still the only manufacturer that I know of that makes IEC-320 jumper

Re: US/ HAR line Cord

1999-03-23 Thread jrbarnes
Rich, UL does not accept HAR cordage in the USA because the HAR cordage does not meet the UL/ANSI standards for cordage. Likewise UL/ANSI cordage does not meet HAR requirements. Cordage that is Harmonized and UL/CSA-listed is rare but not impossible to find. Feller offers these Universal

Re: AC Adapters

1999-03-19 Thread jrbarnes
1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? Back in 1991, when we were still part of IBM, I looked at getting a power supply that would have an attached linecord with a CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug plug on it for Europe. For the United Kingdom

RE: European and North American Cordage

2002-01-08 Thread jrbarnes
Ron, On the first Network Attach product I helped develop, the IBM 4033 External Network Adapters, we wound up with 156 top bills-of-materials to cover three basic models (announced in 1991): * 4/16Mbps Token-Ring. * 10BASE-T/10BASE2 Ethernet. * 10BASE-T Ethernet). We had: * Two basic raw

Re: European and North American Cordage

2002-01-07 Thread jrbarnes
Peter, We used a HARSVT 3x18AWG 1.00mm2 Universal linecord from Feller on the Lexmark MarNet XLe External Network Adapter. This had a Harmonized plus UL/CSA-listed cordage. I can't find my Feller catalog right now, and their website (http://www.feller-at.com/ ) doesn't say, but I

RE: Conducted emission testing for EN55022 - diode + caps

2002-01-24 Thread jrbarnes
Gunter, I discuss this on pages 71-72 of my book, Electronic System Design: Interference and Noise Control Techniques, published by Prentice-Hall in 1987 (now out of print, but you might find a copy by searching for the ISBN number 0-13-252123-7). A50-250nFcapacitor across each

RE: Zero Crossing Question

2002-01-21 Thread jrbarnes
John, Or another example where different companies' equivalent parts are not equivalent-- this is one that I ran into in 1977. I had designed a Power-On-Reset (POR) circuit using a 555 timer, and had tested the circuit on a solderless breadboard. I was being sneaky in my design, and used the

Eager to see you

2002-11-16 Thread jrbarnes
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