Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message !!AAAYAEGjmYsMtGZAuvo7rFLQ++figAAAEDf9dud5KeJHuCKyK rUnaccBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Sat, 21 Feb 2015, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: OTOH, the EU approach is more encompassing because the prime requirement is to comply with the

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Allen
for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? In message !!AAAYAEGjmYsMtGZAuvo7rFLQ++figAAAEDf9dud5KeJHuCKyK rUnaccBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Sat, 21 Feb 2015, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: OTOH, the EU approach is more encompassing because the prime

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message cadyqxldy7tejcbl-vv+_m2zgdippqtn2nfamxol-7nogmi0...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Kevin Robinson kevinrobinso...@gmail.com writes: OSHA Conducted a Request for Information (RFI) back in 2008 that compared the effectiveness and overall costs of SDoC vs 3rd Party

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Allen
...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 February 2015 03:21 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? OSHA Conducted a Request for Information (RFI) back in 2008 that compared the effectiveness and overall costs of SDoC vs 3rd Party

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message OFE8B273B2.B20F6D17-ON88257DF2.007B9EF8-88257DF2.007C2C17@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Fri, 20 Feb 2015, McDiarmid, Ralph ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: Do we really need 3rd party certification in USA, Canada, Australia, etc? I think the new approach

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread John Allen
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? Non sequitur? The survey indicated injury rates, not recalled products (actually preferable to injuries). A small example from my edge of the desert. With exception of the U.K

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-21 Thread Brian Oconnell
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? Good morning (London time!) W.r.t. the OSHA survey – things have changed a bit in the EU since 2008 – for both good and bad! I think there is more general awareness of the hazards of electrical

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-20 Thread Joe Randolph
: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? I agree with Dave and I would add that the statement in the NEC probably should have said public telecommunications network. There is a lot of variability with AHJs around the country. Just because a code

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Joe: I suppose that in theory, an AHJ could go into a Wal-Mart or other retail store and tag consumer telephone products that lack an NRTL listing, but my impression is that few AHJ’s are that zealous. When I first came to Oregon (1960s), Oregon had two full-time inspectors

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-20 Thread Kevin Robinson
OSHA Conducted a Request for Information (RFI) back in 2008 that compared the effectiveness and overall costs of SDoC vs 3rd Party Conformity assessment, the full summary report can be found here http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=OSHA-2008-0032-0099 . While there was no clean data

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-20 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 02/20/2015 02:21 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? Hi Joe: I suppose that in theory, an AHJ could go into a Wal-Mart or other retail store and tag consumer telephone products that lack an NRTL

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-19 Thread Don Gies
Subject: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? Hello All: I know this topic has been discussed before, so I apologize in advance. For several years I have told my clients that *IN PRINCIPLE*, an NRTL listing for consumer-grade wireline telecom

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-19 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Joe: The NEC is a model electrical code. The NFPA intends the code to be adopted by local jurisdictions. Some jurisdictions, like the City of Los Angeles, write their own codes. Other jurisdictions adopt the NEC with changes, some of which affect the certification of

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-19 Thread Doug Powell
, DaveSent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:57 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Nyffenegger, DaveSubject: Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment? While the “N” standards for National, enforcement of the NEC for non-workplaces

Re: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-18 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
have a listing requirement for anything a consumer connects to their network. -Dave From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:15 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal

[PSES] Is NRTL listing mandatory for consumer-grade telephone terminal equipment?

2015-02-18 Thread Joe Randolph
Hello All: I know this topic has been discussed before, so I apologize in advance. For several years I have told my clients that *IN PRINCIPLE*, an NRTL listing for consumer-grade wireline telecom equipment (telephones, fax machines, answering machines, etc.) is not mandatory in the USA.