Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodgate
In message bn3pr0801mb097985bfe1773ece195b9c5285...@bn3pr0801mb0979.namprd08.prod.o utlook.com, dated Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Nyffenegger, Dave dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com writes: Annex VII states the technical file shall include ?a copy of the EC declaration of conformity;?  Don?t know if this

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-17 Thread John Woodgate
In message 20150317.133927.1501...@webmail08.vgs.untd.com, dated Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Brian Gregory brian_greg...@netzero.net writes:  I would not use either S/N or model numbers.   Some EU Directives require each unit to be positively identifiable, for recall if necessary. I don't see how to do

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-17 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive Advice from one with mostly US experience, but with an NRTL/NB: Until otherwise prohibited by MD, best practices are: - use of company issued documentation to properly describe the products

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-17 Thread Brian Gregory
by the certifications and product use applications are concerned. another Brian -- Original Message -- From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - msherma...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive Brian -- I would think a model

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-17 Thread Brian Oconnell
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive   Advice from one with mostly US experience, but with an NRTL/NB:   Until otherwise prohibited by MD, best practices are:   - use of company issued documentation to properly describe the products

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message !!AAAYAEGjmYsMtGZAuvo7rFLQ++figAAAEEULGsOsvGJLiX+xX MTd1qEBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: But many companies that make genuine (or ?other?!) products also have dubious employees, or importers

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
as one might have with the technical file (either electronically or hard copy) would logical. -Dave From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive Exactly

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Brian: Ask the test lab to provide you with the documents that specify what they want. After all, you want to do what is right! Good luck, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D3725@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: To do what they want we would have to type up a custom DoC for every instrum! ent we build with a dedicated document number, have it signed, and

[PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Kunde, Brian
I'm getting beat up again in France for non-compliances according to the machinery Directive on our Nameplate and DoC. I know we have discussed these issues in the past but I was wondering if things have changed or become clearer over time. We want to do things right but some items are hard for

[PSES] FW: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Pete Perkins
, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive I'm getting beat up again in France for non-compliances according to the machinery Directive on our Nameplate and DoC. I know we

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
, 2015 12:18:55 PM Subject: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive I'm getting beat up again in France for non-compliances according to the machinery Directive on our Nameplate and DoC. I know we have discussed these issues in the past but I was wondering if things have changed

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D3825@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: Exactly my point. Complicated. And once you put a serial number on the DoC it becomes a Static Document with its unique document number and it

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message 7B9D892F88F070469771832D78B3086E284AA5F6@013-BR1MPN1-011.MGDPBI.global.p vt, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Jim Hulbert jim.hulb...@pb.com writes: Does the signature on a DoC need to be original or would an digital (or scanned) signature be acceptable? On the DoC in the Technical File,

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Allen
to be signed in ink! John Allen W.London, UK -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 16 March 2015 20:59 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive In message 7B9D892F88F070469771832D78B3086E284AA5F6@013

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Allen
: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive In message mailto:64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D3825@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D3825@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message !!AAAYAEGjmYsMtGZAuvo7rFLQ++figAAAEOSVX14CAFpCsdQXY e/TaogBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: I'm sure that the corporate legal eagles of my old US employer (they really are a Big Name in the

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Jim Hulbert
and DoC requirements Machinery Directive In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D3725@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: To do what they want we would have to type up a custom DoC for every instrum! ent we build with a dedicated

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread John Allen
- -Original Message- From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: 16 March 2015 18:19 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive Does the signature on a DoC need to be original or would an digital (or scanned) signature be acceptable

Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive

2015-03-16 Thread Kunde, Brian
you cannot get around shipping the DoC with the product, right? Thanks. The Other Brian From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:08 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Nameplate and DoC requirements Machinery Directive Good evening