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mo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE
Directive Member States Notification
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From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:32 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive
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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:51 PM
To: jheff...@core.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
Even though individual country forms do not explicitly suggest the if
applicable condition, just take the initiative to put not considered
Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in Europe?
Is 13.56 MHz harmonized?
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
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Sent: 02 July 2003 13:59
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
Richard Woods wrote: Gerald, please explain why a Notified Body number
is required? I thought that a harmonized ETSI standard exists.
A Notified Body
I understand that Class 1 products use harmonized bands. 13.56 MHz is not
harmonized. Sigh!
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:05 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE
: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:05 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in Europe?
Is 13.56 MHz harmonized?
Bob Heller
3M EMC
[mailto:neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'Bill Stumpf'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
My understanding is that where there is a harmonised standard, but the
spectrum usage is not harmonised
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:05 AM
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Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in
Europe?
Is 13.56 MHz harmonized?
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76
Jan,
You do not have to go through a notified body or U.S. CAB to notify.
Each Member State has its own form that can be downloaded for this
purpose, and yes , you do have to notify if the frequency is not
harmonized in that Member State. Go to www.ero.dk for frequency
allocation information.
I read in !emc-pstc that Jan Heffken jheff...@core.com wrote (in
200307011403.h61e3n69098...@mail4.mx.voyager.net) about 'RTTE
Directive Member States Notification' on Tue, 1 Jul 2003:
Since paragraph 31 uses should and not shall do I have to do it all?
The text you cite is in the 'whereases'
I have gone through the process of a 802.11 WLAN.
France is not harmonized to the rest on the EU in the 2.4Ghz spread
spectrum.
Yes you will need a NOTIFIED BODY number to submit with the country
notifications
Yes you need to send notification to each country that you want to sell
into.
There
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Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
I have gone through the process of a 802.11 WLAN.
France is not harmonized to the rest on the EU in the 2.4Ghz spread
spectrum.
Yes you will need a NOTIFIED BODY number to submit with the country
notifications
Yes you need to send
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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:32 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
Gerald, please explain why a Notified Body number is required? I thought
that a harmonized ETSI standard exists.
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
Gerald, Richard, All
Ok, I have to chime in here. You do not need a Notified Body when there
is a Harmonized Standard published in the OJ. I understand that the frequency
is not harmonized (france because of their Military band), but there is a
harmonized standard and therefore no
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From: Gerald Tammi [mailto:gera...@zoom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: 'richwo...@tycoint.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification
The 2.4 Ghz frequency spectrum is NOT harmonized. France is one of the
countries that has
I read in !emc-pstc that Gary McInturff Gary.McInturff@worldwidepackets
.com wrote (in 4e9a9436c008314eaa32033b23e96fd90b0...@thorondor.wwp.co
m) about 'RTTE directive.' on Wed, 29 Jan 2003:
Anybody have a link to peruse and purchase this, and a brief synopsis.
Replied to a previous e-mail
Hope the following links help - I think it is what you are looking for :
Link to the text of the RTTE Directive :
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/dir99-5.htm
List of harmonised standards published in the Official Journal of the EC for
the RTTE:
: 08 May 2002 17:06
To: jjuh...@fiberoptions.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: RTTE Directive
In a message dated 5/8/2002, John Juhasz writes:
it appears that it is not required to test the interface itself to
'telecom specs' such as those in the CTR21.
Hi John:
Your
Hi John,
You are right. The only requirements are for EMC and Safety (according to
the RTTE directive).
I remember there was only 1 (temporary) exception, important if the POTS
equipment will be used in France. (drawn current 80 mA)
Probably this requirement is gone now, but be careful.
John,
A few years ago, the European Commission has determined that there is no
need for technical requirements against which to assess wired
telecommunication products. Further work on the technical basis for
regulation (TBRs) has been suspended and many CTRs (CTR 21 included) have
been removed
In a message dated 5/8/2002, John Juhasz writes:
it appears that it is not required to test the interface itself to
'telecom specs' such as those in the CTR21.
Hi John:
Your interpretation is correct. For wireline POTS products/interfaces, the
only requirements that apply under the
Richard,
* If the test methods you are using are harmonized to the RTTE Directive
then you do not need a Notified Body.
* If the frequency you are using is harmonized by all EU countries then you
do not need the Alert symbol (exclamation point in a circle).
1. Harmonized test methods and
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Courtland
The RTTE Directive 1999/05/EEC states:-
Article 2 - Definitions
For the purpose of this Directive the following definitions
shall apply:
(b) telecommunications terminal equipment means a
product enabling communication or a relevant
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wo...@sensormatic.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:48 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive
It can be confusing. Let's see if I can help. I will address the Directive
from the point of view
It can be confusing. Let's see if I can help. I will address the Directive
from the point of view of transmitters. The essential requirements relate to
three areas: safety, EMC and the radio spectrum.
For safety and EMC, you have a choice - continue to follow the procedures in
the LV and EMC
Courtland,
For equipment covered by harmonized standards you are correct, no Notified
or Conformity Assessment Body involvement is needed. This is the situation
that most terminal equipment manufacturers find themselves in currently. On
the other hand, there are a number of RF standards that
johnwag...@avaya.com
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From: Allan, James[SMTP:james_al...@milgo.com]
Reply To: Allan, James
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:27 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive
Amund has opened my eyes to the literal meaning of RTTE
PM
To: ctho...@patton.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: RTTE Directive
Thomas,
Check the equipment list on
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/listeq.htm
Amund, Oslo/Norway
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:52:11 -0500 Courtland Thomas ctho...@patton.com
wrote
Thomas,
Check the equipment list on http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/listeq.htm
Amund, Oslo/Norway
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:52:11 -0500 Courtland Thomas ctho...@patton.com
wrote:
Hello Group,
I would like to know if there is a list of equipment that falls under the
RTTE Directive.
Allen, the 61000 series are basic standards and those type are not
published in the OJ; however, they are referenced in the harmonized
standards that are published.
Richard Woods
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From: Allan, James [SMTP:james_al...@milgo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:44 AM
To: 'emc-pstc'
Amund
You could check out the useful links page on the RTTE Compliance Association
web site. www.rtteca.com. This association is focussed upon
understanding and effectively using EU Directives ( particularly 99/5)
in a manufacturing, testing and marketing context.
Jerry Roberton
Message-
From: am...@westin.org [mailto:am...@westin.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:29 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Cc: wo...@sensormatic.com
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive
Hi all,
Regarding RTTE and the NB role, we have this case:
1. Product: Satellite transmitter/reveicer, KU-band
Hi all,
Regarding RTTE and the NB role, we have this case:
1. Product: Satellite transmitter/reveicer, KU-band (10-14GHz)
2. Harmonized standards exist
As far as I understand, we do not need a NB for certification. Apply annex III
and issue a DoC.
If the product shall be put into marked in
91f59c34502abee3f414a3dbc8e164923a9cf...@lxe.com, Wismer, Sam
wisme...@ems-t.com inimitably wrote:
No disrespect to the test labs out there because I have gotten a lot of good
information from some, but I encourage folks to get there information from
multiple sources and include the actual
Thomas; emcpost
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive
There is some confusion over this subject:
1/ the ce marking directive still requires a rep on-board so resident on
European soil.
All New Approach directives under ce comply to this.
2/ The notified body (NB) is still required for RTTE
There is some confusion over this subject:
1/ the ce marking directive still requires a rep on-board so resident on
European soil.
All New Approach directives under ce comply to this.
2/ The notified body (NB) is still required for RTTE not harmonized
standards
to prescribe a test
Courtland,
Assuming all of the standards that apply to your equipment are harmonised,
you are correct there is no need for a Notified Body. Not a bad idea
however to have them do your testing. As far as the authorized
representative within the community, I have long believed that this was not
A representative is necessary if the manufacture is not resident in the EU.
That entity keeps the technical file and performs any other duties expressly
assigned by the manufacturer. This procedure is not related to any
procedural requirements to use or not use a Notified Body. A Notified Body
is
I received the following reply from the Greek Ministry when I asked the
question.
National authority responsible for spectrum management:
- Mr. Nissim Benmayor (head of the section)
(+30 1) 650 85 71
ymera...@hol.gr
(+30 1) 650 85 70 fax
***Mss. Irini Athanasiou (+30 1) 650 85 54
.
Comments anyone?
Rest Regards
Kevin Harris
-Original Message-
From: CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more...
[mailto:cet...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:08 PM
To: Wismer, Sam; Kevin Harris; EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Notification Period
RE: RTTE Directive Notification PeriodAs always, people are pragmatic, and
technical reasons, how valid they may be, cannot prevail
over legal ones. Any compliance matter will (-in case of dispute-) finally
be judged by
a legal specialist, not a technical-, and if in the end you manage to
convince
Hi Kevin,
Unless you give it the same model number etc., there will always be what
appears to someone who tries to check on it, an un-notified(is that a word?)
product on the market. I suppose you could have notified a family of
products if you had visibility of them prior to the initial
I agree. We use the same regulatory ID number on a product which include
variants not affecting the rf properties. We see no reason to apply to the
Notified Body for an opinion of compliance nor to notify the PTTs when a new
variant is marketed where the rf properties have not changed. That new
You can access most of the TCAM documents through the UK's DTI Technical
Advice and Policy Committee (TAPC) RTTE website:
http://www.tapc.org.uk/RTTE/Index.html
Regards
Andrea Bishop
BABT Product Service
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From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com]
Sent: 30
I don't recall reading anything in the directive that indicates the DoC must
be in multiple languages. If you know otherwise, please specify the section
number.
Richard Woods
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From: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
[SMTP:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday,
Richard:
The Canadian version of your FCC limts is called Safety Code 6 and has
recetnly been revised by Health Canada. it doesn't permit computer
simulations but of course in the lab you can do anything.
Ralph Cameron
Consultant in EMC and Suppression of Consumer Electronic Euipment
(After
...@rdel.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:37 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: VIRUS WARNING RE: RTTE Directive - Transitional periods
Importance: Low
Hi Folks
This is just to warn you that an automatic reply to my posting last night
on the above subject resulting in me - and possibly
: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:58 AM
Subject: VIRUS WARNING RE: RTTE Directive - Transitional periods
Hi Folks
This is just to warn you that an automatic reply to my posting last night
on the above subject resulting in me - and possibly others - being sent a
new
, 1999 6:36 AM
To: John Allen
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: RTTE Directive - Transitional periods
John,
Thanks for the info and the pointer to TAPC which I also find a valuable
source
of such info.
Your summary adds detailed support to the information I was given at a BABT
Hi Folks
This is just to warn you that an automatic reply to my posting last night
on the above subject resulting in me - and possibly others - being sent a
new virus!
The message source address was 'david.cl...@spke.com'
Do not open any self-extracting ZIP messages attached to emails from
John,
Thanks for the info and the pointer to TAPC which I also find a valuable source
of such info.
Your summary adds detailed support to the information I was given at a BABT
seminar on Oct 5 (emc-pstc posting 15 Oct), but which was disputed in this
forum. Are the UK out on their own in
Posted for Colin:
From: colin_mcgeec...@hp-unitedkingdom-om4.om.hp.com
Subject: Re: RTTE Directive
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:24:26 +0100
To: wo...@sensormatic.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, t...@world.std.com
I have not read the RTTE directive
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