Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-08 Thread T.Sato
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:34:47 +, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems IEC 61000-4-4:2004 (ed.2) clause 7.3.1.1 is clear on this: The test voltage shall be applied simultaneously between a ground reference plane and all of the power supply terminals, a.c. or d.c., and the

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-08 Thread John Woodgate
In message 20120208212033a.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Wed, 8 Feb 2012, T.Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes: I did't feel the sentense is very good, but I thought the word simultaneously made it clearer on this point. It does, but the fact that people are discussing what it means shows that

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message 20120207073526r.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Tue, 7 Feb 2012, T.Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes: It seems IEC 61000-4-4:2004 (ed.2) clause 7.3.1.1 is clear on this: The test voltage shall be applied simultaneously between a ground reference plane and all of the power supply

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-07 Thread Kunde, Brian
Exactly! We have been in this exact debate many times over the years. I love it. Even if it was made clear in the standard that you only need to test it L+N+PE to GRP, I believe the consensus would still be to test all combinations. The test doesn't take that long to do, the test equipment is

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C6A831@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: More information is generally good. But does that apply to ambiguous information? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-07 Thread Sundstrom, Michael
Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:06 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C6A831@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Kunde

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-06 Thread Kunde, Brian
Yea, the last I knew the standards do not specify the coupling path(s) to use. Like Bill, we test all combinations. I have heard from some that this is a Common Mode test so you only have to test LNPE-GND but the test doesn't take that long so why not do them all. We have seen products fail in

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-06 Thread T.Sato
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:15:54 -0800 (PST), Wendy Nya wendy...@yahoo.com wrote: I checked several standards but they do not seem to dictate the coupling paths to test. The equipment that we have, has all seven coupling paths for single-phase power port: L-GND, N-GND, PE-GND, LN-GND, LPE-GND,

Re: [PSES] EFT Power Port Coupling Paths

2012-02-05 Thread Bill Owsley
For completeness, test everything.  Late Friday I had a fail in this test.  EUT and AE are both two wire, no ground brick power supply operated.   Investigation begins Monday.  It is not a consumer product. From: Wendy Nya wendy...@yahoo.com To: EMC- PSTC