Re: [PSES] power strip details -> electronic document preservation

sultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details -> electroni

Re: [PSES] power strip details -> electronic document preservation

Believe that preservation of legacy electronic documents is very important, and am happy to see someone attempting to preserve this stuff. Please note that 'doc' and 'docx' are not usable standards (even where the OOXML is supposedly per the ISO29500 format) and is ill-suited for reliable

Re: [PSES] power strip details

Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Good info. What is an MSPD? With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO

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uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England UK is a sovereignty, not a Zollverein-ty From: Adam Dixon [mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:32 AM To: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com> Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] power s

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Telecom > Standards > > mjmay...@gmail.com > > https://ictsp-essays.info > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Richard Nute" <ri...@ieee.org> > To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org > Sent: 18/09/2017 18:58:00 > Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip detail

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ons Regards, Mick Maytum Safety and Telecom Standards mjmay...@gmail.com https://ictsp-essays.info -- Original Message -- From: "Richard Nute" <ri...@ieee.org> To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Sent: 18/09/2017 18:58:00 Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details >Hi

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@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] power strip details While I agree that an SPD at the service entrance seems to be the way to suppress surges resulting from direct/near/far lightning strokes, ANSI C62.4.1 writes about switching transients on circuits which cause oscillatory surges on the mains. SPD

Re: [PSES] power strip details

mailto:mjmay...@gmail.com Ictsp-essays.info -- Original Message -- From: "John Woodgate" <mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com> To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Sent: 16/09/2017 08:04:59 Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details I agree, but doesn't that also apply to surge-s

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@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details I believe the principal culprit is the extreme magnetic field that surrounds the conductors when the surge protector operates rather than the current in the PE conductor.  This field can generate high voltages in adjacent and nearby low

Re: [PSES] power strip details

om> mjmay...@gmail.com Ictsp-essays.info -- Original Message -- From: "John Woodgate" < <mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com> jmw1...@btinternet.com> To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org> EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Sent: 16/09/2017 08:04:59 Subject: Re

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16/09/2017 08:04:59 Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details I agree, but doesn't that also apply to surge-suppression built into equipment? Should we stop requiring surge immunity testing on equipment? With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only <http://www.jmwa.demo

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ngland UK is a sovereignty, not a Zollverein-ty From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:56 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details In my opinion, surge suppression in a power strip or in a product may protect the

Re: [PSES] power strip details

al Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:34 PM To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] power strip details Only codes have free access. Couldn't find the handbook in free access. Rich -Original Message

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Only codes have free access. Couldn't find the handbook in free access. Rich -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Free access

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no more than 6 kV overvoltages. Rich From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details John, I think surge suppression on power strips is more of a Marketing Gimmick than anything. We

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Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details I invite you to also read the Preface in the NEC 2014 Handbook. It provides an interesting history. Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent

Re: [PSES] power strip details

overvoltages. Rich From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details John, I think surge suppression on power strips is more of a Marketing Gimmick than anything. We all know

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PM To: Ralph McDiarmid <ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] power strip details "Apparently, the NEC 'code' was derived originally from the IEC." Not according to Mike Holt. See: http://www.mikeholt.com/nec-history-and-p

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To: Ralph McDiarmid <ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com> Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details The NEC does allow 100% rated breakers, as long as they are Listed for this purpose and used inside a proper enclosure (such that operation is not outside the Listin

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"Apparently, the NEC 'code' was derived originally from the IEC." Not according to Mike Holt. See: http://www.mikeholt.com/nec-history-and-purpose.php Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society

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The code actually writes about 125% for breaker rating versus continuous current. And so, 80% of breaker rating for 'continuous loads' (3 hours) in the NEC and CEC, unless the breaker is Listed for 100% of its rating. (210.20 in the 2014 NEC). I generally despise rules of thumb like this,

Re: [PSES] power strip details

; Product Compliance > Engineering > Solar Business > Schneider Electric > > > From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:35 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details > > The r

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nce Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details The rating on a North American circuit breaker is not its trip curr

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; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] power strip details Is this surge suppression a) effective, b) necessary? I have seen comments that suggest 'No' for both a) and b). With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Wo

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52-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details The rating on a North American circuit breaker is

Re: [PSES] power strip details

52-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Ted Thanks for correcting me on breaker charac

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To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details This is slightly off topic but you might find this interesting. People are too smart for their own good. When Yanks travel to Europe, they bring along their phone chargers, computer chargers, notepad chargers, razer chargers, etc.,

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at "Live" & "Neutral" connections on the US sockets & plugs are the opposite way around to those on the UK BS 1363 sockets & plugs! J) From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: 15 September 2017 14:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subj

Re: [PSES] power strip details

Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: 15 September 2017 14:35 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details The rating on a North American circuit breaker is not its trip current. It is the rated current. UL 489 requires circuit breake

Re: [PSES] power strip details

Maximum Charge: 3680W,16A/250V~" Don Gies ddg...@verizon.net<mailto:ddg...@verizon.net> (732) 207-7828 From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> S

Re: [PSES] power strip details

@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details This is slightly off topic but you might find this interesting. People are too smart for their own good. When Yanks travel to Europe, they bring along their phone chargers, computer chargers, notepad chargers, razer chargers, etc., all

Re: [PSES] power strip details

to Europe and plug it in, BAM!! SMOKE!!! I know two people who have done this. Enjoy your weekend. The Other Brian From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:29 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Yes, the marking

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exception of a very few devices certified on both continents) recognized on the "opposite" sides of "The Pond". John Allen W. London, UK From: Don Gies [mailto:ddg...@verizon.net] Sent: 15 September 2017 13:16 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip det

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C-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Pete, Before last year's TC108 meeting in Frankfurt, I purchased a German Schucko European Power Strip from Amazon. It had 3 AC receptacles and 2 USB outputs. Its ratings are: "Maximum Charge: 3680W,16A/250V~" Don G

Re: [PSES] power strip details

n.net (732) 207-7828 From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details Unlike the US/Canada (etc), there is no derating factor for UK mains wall outlets. A 13A

Re: [PSES] power strip details

at it requires. John Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 15 September 2017 07:36 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power strip details UK household power strips are rated at 13 A and include a 13 A fuse. Other fuses, nor

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UK household power strips are rated at 13 A and include a 13 A fuse. Other fuses, normally used in plugs, are 3 A, 5 A and 10 A. I have seen a 1 A fuse, but they are very rare. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M