Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Jan de Kruyf
clap, clap, clap . . . . . . I second the motion. If and when I have some free time I might knock up a quick flyer based on these notions. Obviously for others to add on to. We will need some real clean shiny pictures though. Close-ups work very well. Are there volunteers? j. On Sat, Mar

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Jack Coats j...@coats.org: What companies seem to want to purchase is not 'software' and 'hardware'.  They want solutions. Yes, exactly! Unfortunately my clients tend to ask, what kind of solution they are paying for and what am I going to implement and then it would be nice to show

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread charles green
if possible, i would like a complete list of cost insensitive customers. --- On Sat, 3/17/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: if possible, i would like a complete list of cost insensitive customers. :))) What I meant is the top priority of the customer - if cost is the one and only criterion or maybe some other things are considered equally or even more important...

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 3/16/2012 10:31 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, Just how do you 'market' a free item/product? The free LinuxCNC software is not even a loss leader. The whole thing is free - all the time - even the advice - even the help. Just asking. thanks Stuart Stuart, Marketing is

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor) mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 3/16/2012 10:31 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, Just how do you 'market' a free item/product? The free LinuxCNC software is not even a loss leader. The whole thing is free -

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
Thanks all for the input. I don't think I'm presenting the problem quite right, so I'll try to provide more detail, but for those not interested in that the specific technical problem I am hoping to solve is that I have configured a software encoder that does not seem to handle frequencies above

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
As a relative LinuxCNC newbie, I can say that a more clear presentation of the capabilities of the system would have made it less daunting to choose LinuxCNC. As a hobby CNC user, I had been exposed to probably 20 half-baked open source CAM tools/packages and been impressed with a total of zero.

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/10 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Looks like at least 2 problems, one is that the firmware and driver are different versions (that firmware is fairly ancient) and the second problame is that the config line syntax has changed (this should be fixable with man hostmot2) John Murphy

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Scott Hasse wrote: snip-- It acts like it is sampling the encoder at the servo-thread frequency, despite the update-counters function being bound to the base-thread. When I view the configuration from

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:55:23 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: No I think its some other version  issue (nml has nothin to do with hm2) Ok, what else could it be? Last weak I downloaded the latest-at-that-moment buildbot version. Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:11:21 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:24:34 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
With respect to messing it up, the hal and ini file are as they are directly generated from pncconf. The source simply does an input and I am doing that to keep the configuration modular. I run various configurations on this machine, and can pick and choose configurations by sourcing different

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
But this is really really wasteful Presuming my PC can handle a reasonable base-thread rate, is it really wasteful of a scarce resource? It seems if I want to use a real encoder counter given my configuration I'll need a custom 5i23 firmware? Thanks! Scott On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM,

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Peter, what am I supposed to have on PC for smart-serial module to work? The only thing I know of is inuxCNC 2.5.something. Is there anything else? Thats it Then I have only the buildbot version to

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Roger Holmquist
Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? I know it's based on Windows with some kind of realtime extension who doesn't sound too good in ears. My impression

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 3/17/2012 9:34 AM, gene heskett wrote: Stuart, Marketing is marketing, whether for profit or for non-profit. Even if free, you still want to be able to give it away. Like Kent mentioned, Case Studies and perhaps Testimonials are our Free advertising. That's the kind of stuff that needs

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Roger Holmquist wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:28:05 +0100 From: Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: I will report back about my success. So I uninstalled the buildbot version, got the source code and in terminal executed: sudo apt-get build-dep emc2 ./autogen.sh ./configure The ./configure script terminates with this error message (I copied

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Greg Bernard
Scott- Those are really excellent write-ups! I agree with you about the newbie first impressions. I very nearly went with Mach when I built my first machine 2 years ago. It wasn't until I visited Jon Elson that I saw first hand what a capable piece of software LinuxCNC really is that I made my

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 3/17/2012 12:52 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/3/17 Viesturs Lācisviesturs.la...@gmail.com: I will report back about my success. So I uninstalled the buildbot version, got the source code and in terminal executed: sudo apt-get build-dep emc2 ./autogen.sh ./configure The

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Mark Wendt (Contractor) mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil: You're missing at least the Boost.Python libraries for C++ (gcc). Dunno what else you're missing since I don't know what you have on your machine. ;-) I just want to test one 8i20 servo drive, no real machine to control. Where can I

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 17:28 +0100, Roger Holmquist wrote: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? I know it's based on Windows with some kind of realtime

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewicz mic...@wp.pl: sudo apt-get install libboost-python-dev Thanks, that worked! ./configure completed successfully sudo make completedsuccessfully sudo make setuid terminates with error: viesturs@ubuntu:~/linuxcnc-dev/src$ sudo make setuid make: Entering directory

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
Try use make without sudo W dniu 17.03.2012 18:33, Viesturs Lācis pisze: 2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewiczmic...@wp.pl: sudo apt-get install libboost-python-dev Thanks, that worked! ./configure completed successfully sudo make completedsuccessfully sudo make setuid terminates with error:

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Jon Elson
Roger Holmquist wrote: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? I know it's based on Windows with some kind of realtime extension who doesn't sound too

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewicz mic...@wp.pl: Try use make without sudo Thanks, You are right, there is no sudo in wiki page. I still get some errors, so I deleted the code, will download it again and then retry. BTW a little off-topic: the command to clone the source from git is: git clone

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
If you execute 'git clean -x -d -f' in top of linuxcnc source directory, it will reset to state after clone regards Michael W dniu 17.03.2012 19:13, Viesturs Lācis pisze: 2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewiczmic...@wp.pl: Try use make without sudo Thanks, You are right, there is no sudo in wiki

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewicz mic...@wp.pl: If you execute 'git clean -x -d -f' in top of linuxcnc source directory, it will reset to state after clone Thanks, I will try to remember! And now what? I ran all these commands: cd src ./autogen.sh ./configure make make install-menus sudo make

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie (TheNewbie)

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se: Thanks for your responses. It seems I have to give LinuxCNC a closer look. There is a low cost commercial alternative in MACH 3. I guess you have an opinions on that system too? That is pretty much provocative question :)) Here is my thoughts, why

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Running_emc2 running script is in ../scripts directory W dniu 17.03.2012 19:51, Viesturs Lācis pisze: 2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewiczmic...@wp.pl: If you execute 'git clean -x -d -f' in top of linuxcnc source directory, it will reset

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewicz mic...@wp.pl: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Running_emc2 running script is in ../scripts directory Thank You! It is working! That is for run-in-place, but I did not specify that. Did it automatically build with --run-in-place? If so,

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Michał Geszkiewicz mic...@wp.pl: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Running_emc2 running script is in ../scripts directory Thank You! It is working! That is for run-in-place, but I did not specify that. Did it automatically build with --run-in-place? If so,

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Sorry, for the double-post, do not know, how did I do that... 2012. gada 17. marts 15:13 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com rakstīja: Anyway, I still get this in error message: Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1 Can not find -sec IO -var IO -num 1 Can not find -sec TASK -var

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread John Prentice
Greetings And now what? I ran all these commands: cd src ./autogen.sh ./configure make make install-menus sudo make setuid They all completed successfully - I did not see any warning messages. But in Applications - CNC I have 4 items - Getting started guide and 3 manuals - Hal,

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:21:33 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: I cannot see how any of those errors are eveny vaguely related to the bitfile I do understand that. The fact is that it works with this: CONFIG=firmware=hm2/7i43/SVST4_4B.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=3 num_stepgens=0 It does not work with this:

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, March 17, 2012 04:01:38 PM Mark Wendt (Contractor) did opine: On 3/17/2012 9:34 AM, gene heskett wrote: Stuart, Marketing is marketing, whether for profit or for non-profit. Even if free, you still want to be able to give it away. Like Kent mentioned, Case Studies and

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:02:42 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Looks right, though it probably should have the right number of 0's or X's for the number of sserial channels the config contains How do I find that out? The firmware is BOSSV.BIT, the one You sent to John Murphy a week or two ago. what does dmesg

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:29:27 -0400 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Oh OK its a ancient bit file (dmesg is much more useful) So that means that You will send me something else, right? :)) Viesturs -- This SF email is sponsosred by: Try

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012, Peter C. Wallace wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re:

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Those number do not match what I have for the BOSSVSS config so that is not a current bit file (John Murphy must have sent you an old one by mistake) Configuration Name: HOSTMOT2 General configuration information:   Module: SSerial   There are

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Ginger
On 3/17/2012 4:12 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: In fact, my GMC fired up an hour ago for the first time in several months, with a fresh engine in it, so hitting NAMES might not be out of the question if they hold one this summer. Cheers, Gene NAMES is April 21, 22 in

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-17 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: There are quite a goodly number of folks on this list and/or IRC, that I owe a hand cooler to, and if I ever get under the same roof, I'll see to it no one has a smoking hand. In fact, my GMC fired up an hour ago for the first time in several months, with a fresh

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
It just makes difficult for any observer to understand, what is going on there. If it works and You understand it - very good. But remember that if You will ever want somebody else to understand it, then it can cause frustration. I think that in situations like this it is best to stick to

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
OK, now I think I'm starting to wrap my head around why it is not working. Even with my software encoder sampling on the base-thread, with this line: addf hm2_5i23.0.read servo-thread updated I/O values were only being read from the 5i23 on the servo-thread. A bit counter intuitive to me, but

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Chris Morley
Scott My understanding is that the simple and most well-traveled approach for servo systems with Mesa hardware is to use pncconf. If you have a recommendation for a simpler or stupider solution I am certainly open to it. Personally I have found pncconf to be invaluable and just to clarify,

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory

2012-03-17 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, March 17, 2012 08:13:59 PM Ron Ginger did opine: On 3/17/2012 4:12 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: In fact, my GMC fired up an hour ago for the first time in several months, with a fresh engine in it, so hitting NAMES might not be out of the question if

Re: [Emc-users] Tool change question

2012-03-17 Thread Tony Zampini
Well, I made the changes to Les Newell's script you suggested, and it worked! Sort of :) Mind you, I'm running version 2.4.3. The first time I tried running a g-code program, nothing happened. I found I had to stop the program, then start it again. Then it was off and running. This seems to

Re: [Emc-users] Tool change question

2012-03-17 Thread Tony Zampini
Jeff, For some reason, I was unable to get Les Newell's tool change script to run UNLESS I named it the default name - hal_manualtoolchange. Per your suggestion, I tried naming Les's script to hal_manualtoolchange_new, and then changing the reference to it in the .ini file. But when I started

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-17 Thread Scott Hasse
Stopped down to the shop tonight to try: addf hm2_5i23.0.read_gpio base-thread Debug file information: HAL: ERROR: function 'hm2_5i23.0.read_gpio' needs FP analog-in.hal:4: addf failed To me this implies it is not a real time capable function? I tried creating a separate thread, but I get:

Re: [Emc-users] Marketing LinuxCNC, was Re: Trajectory

2012-03-17 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Thanks Ron. That is only about 5 weeks down the road, we'll have to see about that. What part of MI is Wyandotte in? (Very) Slightly West of Detroit. Jon -- This SF email is sponsosred by: