Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 May 2012 05:16, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: The drive is dithering at 0.0003 - 0.0006 with the worst spike now at 0.0012. ... One encoder pulse is 0.0003 on this axis. Would tuning the PID help with the spikes You could consider setting the PID deadband to 1 or 2 encoder

Re: [Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-27 Thread Dave Caroline
In preparation for any work I thought, we need to get a call tree or flow chart. A bit of googling and I found f77_diagram. A bit of hacking and I have it outputting html with links to other html including links to the flow charts.

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jan de Kruyf
That is a bit of a difficult configuration. I rather like to us encoders with a RS485 balanced pair output i.e. A, notA, B, notB, etc. The receivers reject noise much better in htat configuration. You might try to find a powder iron or ceramic ring-core and loop all encoder wires through a few

Re: [Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-27 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/27/2012 9:34 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: In preparation for any work I thought, we need to get a call tree or flow chart. A bit of googling and I found f77_diagram. A bit of hacking and I have it outputting html with links to other html including links to the flow charts.

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-27 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/27/2012 12:59 PM, John Thornton wrote: I did manage to get two traces last night with a kick start from your instructions and lots of help from the IRC. At the end I figured out the two circuits I was monitoring was the same phase. I do feel that I can get a good trace now thanks to all

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 May 2012 17:59, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: I did manage to get two traces last night with a kick start from your instructions and lots of help from the IRC One thing that occurred to me is that phase balance on the drive-side of the reactor is possibly more important than

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 22:16 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: ... snip You can sort-of see that I did that with my power and step/dir lines in this cabinet: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NivmHU8OuXIcP2EQHUPruNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink ... snip Your cabinet looks a lot better

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 May 2012 18:48, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NivmHU8OuXIcP2EQHUPruNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink Your cabinet looks a lot better than mine, but... I have a thing about Zip-ties. Zip ties! How very dare you! That's

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jan de Kruyf
Zip ties! How very dare you! That's harness lacing, that is. Oh dear, did you catch that affliction in your seafaring days, did you, Andy? j. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:07 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 May 2012 18:48, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, May 27, 2012 03:40:41 PM Jon Elson did opine: Jeshua Lacock wrote: Then, just to see what might happen, I cut the encoder ground connected to the encoder shield, and it looks like (preliminary speaking) it no longer faults out. This seems to indicate that the encoder shield

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, May 27, 2012 04:06:25 PM andy pugh did opine: On 27 May 2012 18:48, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NivmHU8OuXIcP2EQHUPruNMTjNZET YmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink Your cabinet looks a lot better than mine, but... I have a

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jan de Kruyf
Here is an article about effective EMI screening for those interested in the subject. http://www.ce-mag.com/99ARG/Bjorklof137.html j. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Sunday, May 27, 2012 04:06:25 PM andy pugh did opine: On 27 May 2012 18:48,

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 27, 2012, at 5:30 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 27 May 2012 05:16, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: The drive is dithering at 0.0003 - 0.0006 with the worst spike now at 0.0012. ... One encoder pulse is 0.0003 on this axis. Would tuning the PID help with the spikes You could

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 27, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Jeshua Lacock wrote: Then, just to see what might happen, I cut the encoder ground connected to the encoder shield, and it looks like (preliminary speaking) it no longer faults out. This seems to indicate that the encoder shield was

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On May 27, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 23:31 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Jeshua's AMT-103 encoder has a 2 mA source/sink driver when used by itself (without the line driver cable option). So, you can't apply too much of a pull-down or it will alter

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: This is getting messy. I made a first attempt at a schematic of a single encoder setup. It should be attached. Also, the Inkscape SVG file is attached if someone wants to edit it. There are some missing bits, such as, how each component gets powered and grounded. I assumed

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Jon, while the encoder I built for the lathe spindle was pretty crude, one of the things I did in my research was to make it an given that the opto device chosen had an active, high speed CMOS rail to rail output. While the qradrature may not have been accurate enough

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Interference

2012-05-27 Thread Jon Elson
Jeshua Lacock wrote: I captured a big spike event (16 encoder counts!), but for the life of me, I cannot figure which came first (the seem to be at the same instant?). I have two screen captures online, 1 so you can see the whole event and the second zoomed in as far as possible at the