Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread John Kasunich
Kirk Wallace wrote: > I think Tormach has a fairly compelling argument for steppers here: > > http://www.tormach.com/document_library/TD30204_DesignAnalysis.pdf > > Starts on page seven, though I think the whole document is worth while. Second that - I read the whole thing a few weeks ago. I

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 17:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If you really want to use steppers and scales together, thats fine. It > > can be fun to explore new territory. EMC is the most flexible system > > out there, and probably the only one that would let you experiment with > > such a co

[Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread davenull
> If you really want to use steppers and scales together, thats fine. It > can be fun to explore new territory. EMC is the most flexible system > out there, and probably the only one that would let you experiment with > such a configuration. But you said you want to make parts, not > experiment

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread John Kasunich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose >> torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's just >> the physics of the motor. > > > Did someone rewrite the spec for

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread ben lipkowitz
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Dave Engvall wrote: EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's just the physics of the motor. >> PID loop will attempt to correct for a lagging motor by requesting

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, Sorry for this in advance. I couldn't resist. Stephan Wille Padnos: you are too kind Steve Thornton: I rest my case thanks Stuart - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Mi

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Dave Engvall
On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote: >> >> >>> EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose >>> torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's >>>

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose >>torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's just >>the physics of the motor. >> >> > >Did someone rewrite the spec

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Kenneth Lerman
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:41 AM Subject: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics > On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> EMC can

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Andre' Blanchard
At 08:30 AM 2/13/2008, you wrote: >Am 13.02.2008 um 11:41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > >> EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose > >> torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's > >>

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread Hansjakob Rusterholz
Am 13.02.2008 um 11:41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose >> torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's >> just >> the physics of the motor. > > > Did

[Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics

2008-02-13 Thread davenull
On 12 Feb 2008 at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steppers lose > torque as the speed increases. There is no way around this, it's just > the physics of the motor. Did someone rewrite the spec for PID? used to be a way of correcting a

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics.

2008-02-12 Thread Jon Elson
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > EMC can do PID just fine. It's steppers that can't. Steve makes many good points, which have been gone over ad infinitum here over the past N years. The only comment I want to throw out is that some users actually ARE using encoders with stepper motors. It won't

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics.

2008-02-12 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 22:42 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > With the experience I have gained so far, it leads me to believe that > > you are making choices that may make your quest more difficult. If you > > are trying to have a CNC machine to make parts and spend as little as > > appropriate

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics.

2008-02-12 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>With the experience I have gained so far, it leads me to believe that >>you are making choices that may make your quest more difficult. If you >>are trying to have a CNC machine to make parts and spend as little as >>appropriate for that end, then you should consider stu

[Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics.

2008-02-12 Thread davenull
> With the experience I have gained so far, it leads me to believe that > you are making choices that may make your quest more difficult. If you > are trying to have a CNC machine to make parts and spend as little as > appropriate for that end, then you should consider studying other > machines th

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 13:39 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just a quickie. > > Can anyone recommend a UK supplier of stepper motors and associated drive > electronics? > eg just add mill, and computer running EMC. > > Mill is a light / middleweight Pinnacle universal job, XYZ travels are 400,

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors >> The 180Ncm will be big enough, and at ?18.50 at the moment ... >> The 3 Amp driver at ?28.95 each are a good option for driving them, so for >> under ?150 you have all the grunt. >> They will run direct off the p

[Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread davenull
> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors > The 180Ncm will be big enough, and at ?18.50 at the moment ... > The 3 Amp driver at ?28.95 each are a good option for driving them, so for > under ?150 you have all the grunt. > They will run direct off the parallel port, but a simple br

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread davenull
> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors > The 180Ncm will be big enough, and at ?18.50 at the moment ... > The 3 Amp driver at ?28.95 each are a good option for driving them, so for > under ?150 you have all the grunt. > They will run direct off the parallel port, but a simple br

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread Lester Caine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just a quickie. > > Can anyone recommend a UK supplier of stepper motors and associated drive > electronics? > eg just add mill, and computer running EMC. > > Mill is a light / middleweight Pinnacle universal job, XYZ travels are 400, > 180, 150 mm with > quill head

Re: [Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread Dave Caroline
I got mine from at the model engineer ex http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors in Leicester and seems they have some even cheaper since I bought mine Dave Caroline archivist on #emc FreeNode - This SF.net em

[Emc-users] UK suppliers of stepper motors and drive electronics?

2008-02-12 Thread davenull
Just a quickie. Can anyone recommend a UK supplier of stepper motors and associated drive electronics? eg just add mill, and computer running EMC. Mill is a light / middleweight Pinnacle universal job, XYZ travels are 400, 180, 150 mm with quill head having separate raise / lower facility and