Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-24 Thread Peter Blodow
Andy, the use of those length units depends on the circle who uses them. Woodworkers use cm, metalworkers mm, opticians micrometers, nuclear scientists nanometers. The aim is to leave off unused zeroes, either in front or after the decimal point. Hectoliters are the most important measure of

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-24 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 14:06 Erik Christiansen, wrote: > But we freely use ohm, kilohm, and megohm to avoid superfluous > zeroes. Similarly, 1 hPa is immediately recognisable as 1 millibar, > given that a bar is 1e5 Pa. None of hPa, kPa, MPa, bar do anything other > than move the decimal point,

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-17 Thread Peter Blodow
Chris, just think of the radioactive people like the Curies and Bequerel (rad. activity),  Gray (energy dosis), Sievert (man-equivalent dosis). Then there was Georg Ohm for el. resistance and, for what his name is read "Mho" backwards in the US, Siemens for conductivity. Then, most important,

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Chris Albertson
Notice that now-days many of the "standard" SI units are named for long-dead scientests Volt, Ampere, Watt, Henry, Farad, Joule, Hertz, Newton, Pascal, Celsus, Kelvin, Likely a lot more I can't remember. If you know a little history you can remember them. I think that is why they use proper

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread jrmitchellj
Most of the pneumatic valves I use have a small actuator (coil) that opens a small air passage to push the thimble within the valve body to the requested position. I recall that they are called "pilot valves". So they use a very small amount of current to do a very big job. I have used Parker

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Peter Blodow
Andy, you forgot that blood pressure in Europe is measured in mm of mercury... Peter Am 16.02.2019 um 12:47 schrieb Andy Pugh: On 16 Feb 2019, at 09:21, Erik Christiansen wrote: as lb/in^2 isn't right It can be, if you measure oil consumption in slugs. We use hPa a lot at work. It annoys

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.02.19 11:47, Andy Pugh wrote: > > > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 09:21, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > > as lb/in^2 isn't right > > It can be, if you measure oil consumption in slugs. True ... but then a slug is lbf s^2 / ft, and I have enough trouble with those venerable units without

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 16 February 2019 06:47:58 Andy Pugh wrote: > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 09:21, Erik Christiansen > > wrote: > > > > as lb/in^2 isn't right > > It can be, if you measure oil consumption in slugs. > > We use hPa a lot at work. It annoys me. > In fact the same software in various places uses

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 16 February 2019 04:21:10 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 15.02.19 20:46, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I found a 12 volt 1/4" version, but what the heck is > > Operating pressure 0.15~0.8MPa supposed to tell me??? Need a > > translation from chinglish please. I haven't a clue what the heck >

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 16 Feb 2019, at 09:21, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > as lb/in^2 isn't right It can be, if you measure oil consumption in slugs. We use hPa a lot at work. It annoys me. In fact the same software in various places uses hPa, kPa, MPa, bar, psi and inches of mercury!

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.02.19 20:46, Gene Heskett wrote: > I found a 12 volt 1/4" version, but what the heck is > Operating pressure 0.15~0.8MPa supposed to tell me??? Need a translation > from chinglish please. I haven't a clue what the heck 0.8MPa means. OK, it's been answered for that number, but for catching

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 February 2019 21:19:19 Chris Albertson wrote: > The "Pascal" is the SI unit for pressure. > > MPa is a MegaPascal or 1,000,000 Pascal > > 1Mpa is about 145 PSI in American units. Or more accurately 10 Bar that I am familiar with. Thanks Chris. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
The "Pascal" is the SI unit for pressure. MPa is a MegaPascal or 1,000,000 Pascal 1Mpa is about 145 PSI in American units. Or more accurately 10 Bar On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 5:48 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 13 February 2019 05:41:38 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Wednesday 13

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 February 2019 20:54:26 Phillip Carter wrote: > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 12:46 pm, Gene Heskett > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 13 February 2019 05:41:38 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Wednesday 13 February 2019 03:46:53 Les Newell wrote: > >>> I recently made a couple of coolant units

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-15 Thread Phillip Carter
> On 16 Feb 2019, at 12:46 pm, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 February 2019 05:41:38 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Wednesday 13 February 2019 03:46:53 Les Newell wrote: >>> I recently made a couple of coolant units based on eBay mister heads >>> like this one >>>

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 13 February 2019 05:41:38 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 13 February 2019 03:46:53 Les Newell wrote: > > I recently made a couple of coolant units based on eBay mister heads > > like this one > > >8m

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 13 February 2019 11:23:38 Les Newell wrote: > Hi Gene, > > You aren't the only one. I have a couple of the other type sitting > around unused. > > Les Nice to see I have company in this camp, Les. It doesn't feel quite so lonesome. ;-) Got the light up, nice and bright. Now all I

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Les Newell
Hi Gene, You aren't the only one. I have a couple of the other type sitting around unused. Les So I probably bought the wrong one. Expertise comes from the experience of doing it wrong. :) ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040 (Les Newell)

2019-02-13 Thread Les Newell
Hi Wallace, I attached a pic in my previous post. I have attached that pic plus one with the nozzle disassembled. Les On 13/02/2019 09:36, Marshland Engineering wrote: Any chance of a picture or sketch. I can't visualize your description. Thanks Wallace New Zealand.

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 13 February 2019 09:33:08 jrmitchellj wrote: > With that thin of a chip it is doing more "rubbing" than "cutting", > and with a lot of heat in the chip, it is likely going to start > friction welding the chips to the cutter. > Things can go downhill very fast, and a broken cutter

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread jrmitchellj
With that thin of a chip it is doing more "rubbing" than "cutting", and with a lot of heat in the chip, it is likely going to start friction welding the chips to the cutter. Things can go downhill very fast, and a broken cutter will result! With the cooling rig that I have, the part often comes

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 13 February 2019 03:46:53 Les Newell wrote: > I recently made a couple of coolant units based on eBay mister heads > like this one > m-Air-Pipe-CNC-Lathe-Milling-Machine/172271983174?>. These ones with > the

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 13 February 2019 00:25:04 jrmitchellj wrote: > Yes, and Yes. > The units Andy sited on EBay look like a similar design to what I > have. > > The key is to keep the bottle a bit lower than the exit plane of the > nozzle, so that when the air is shut off, the coolant drains back, not

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040 (Les Newell)

2019-02-13 Thread Marshland Engineering
I extended the oil jet using 2mm stainless tube so it now >sticks out about 1.5" past the end of the brass nozzle. This leaves a >thin annular gap for the air to get out. As the area of the air jet is >now very small you can run quite high pressure (60 - 100 psi) with very >low flow. By the

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-13 Thread Les Newell
I recently made a couple of coolant units based on eBay mister heads like this one . These ones with the straight end on the nozzle seem to be better quality than the ones

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread jrmitchellj
The flow rate of the coolant is adjusted by rotating the nozzle at the end of the flex line. You can even adjust to cut off the coolant flow completely, and just have air flow on the work. --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 "No problem can be solved from the same level of

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread jrmitchellj
Yes, and Yes. The units Andy sited on EBay look like a similar design to what I have. The key is to keep the bottle a bit lower than the exit plane of the nozzle, so that when the air is shut off, the coolant drains back, not continuing to syphon (dribble) out the nozzle. --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 22:55:43 jrmitchellj wrote: > I just use a 16oz water bottle with a magnet attached. Drop the > pickup tube into it, and the coolant is drawn out. > > I mix up the coolant in small amounts, as it seems to grow a slime in > it if it is around too long. > I've heard

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 22:07:38 Ken Strauss wrote: > Have you considered using a 2l PET plastic soft drink bottle? Ahh, no. We don't buy the stuff, so it hadn't crossed my mind. Around this camp its coffee, water, near beer for me, an occasional 8oz coke for the missus, or coffee with a

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread jrmitchellj
I just use a 16oz water bottle with a magnet attached. Drop the pickup tube into it, and the coolant is drawn out. I mix up the coolant in small amounts, as it seems to grow a slime in it if it is around too long. --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com "No problem can be solved from the

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Ken Strauss
Have you considered using a 2l PET plastic soft drink bottle? > -Original Message- > From: Phillip Carter [mailto:phillcarte...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:31 PM > To: linuxcnc-users-list > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Phillip Carter
I use a water filter canister similar to this: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorised-metalworking-machines/102934-built-fog-less-coolant-mister.html Cheers, Phill > On 13 Feb

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 17:08:58 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 21:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > > So it appears > > > > I'll have to saw off a bit of brass, find my teeny brass tubing > > supply and hope I have enough to make another. Unfortunately, the > > hobby shop where I bought

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Chris Albertson
What you are making is very much like an artist's air brush, the kind used for very small and detailed work. The amount of air thy use is tiny. Some are controlled with a foot switch and others with a mechanical button on the "brush" The amount of air used is so tiny you can just let the air

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 21:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > So it appears > I'll have to saw off a bit of brass, find my teeny brass tubing supply > and hope I have enough to make another. Unfortunately, the hobby shop > where I bought it closed up 5 years back from old age, so now I am at > ebay's

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 14:51:11 Marshland Engineering wrote: > Run several misters and you need around 25 PSI to draw the cutting > fluid, mist the liquid and blow away the swarf. > > I don't like my big compressor working hard to produce 25 PSI so I'm > busy setting up a small 3 phase motor

[Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040

2019-02-12 Thread Marshland Engineering
Run several misters and you need around 25 PSI to draw the cutting fluid, mist the liquid and blow away the swarf. I don't like my big compressor working hard to produce 25 PSI so I'm busy setting up a small 3 phase motor to run and oilless pump with a small VFD. This way I can set the speed of

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 12:45:22 Les Newell wrote: > You'd probably be better off with something like this: > SI-Max-Pressure-Portable-Lightweight/283371934304> > > Les > I've thought of that too Les, since I have a

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, those solder station use an air pumps are not unlike an aquarium air pump. Maybe that is enough, all you need is enough air to cary the mist of atomized droplets. Another place to look is "air brush" pumps. These are designed to power tiny paint guns and to run all day long. They are

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 February 2019 06:06:31 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 12.02.19 04:50, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Looking at fleabay, I find, for about $12, what looks like a > > centrifigal 12 volt blower, rated at 380L a minute for blowing up > > air mattresses etc. Rated pressure is 3800pa, but that

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Les Newell
You'd probably be better off with something like this: Les On 12/02/2019 09:50, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings all; I took a small air pump out of a failed solder rework

Re: [Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 12.02.19 04:50, Gene Heskett wrote: > Looking at fleabay, I find, for about $12, what looks like a centrifigal > 12 volt blower, rated at 380L a minute for blowing up air mattresses > etc. Rated pressure is 3800pa, but that doesn't readily translate into > how much or how well it would

[Emc-users] Would this blower be usefull as a low pressure mister for this 6040?

2019-02-12 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; I took a small air pump out of a failed solder rework unit last afternoon, find it to be some sort of a vibrator tuned to 60 hz, with a small diaphram on both sides of the solenoid. So this doesn't seem like enough air to drive a mister. Looking at fleabay, I find, for about