Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Gene; my KX1 has circa 7,000 rpm on it, and, with the Mesa and G540, it can really move. (running motors at 40v or so) I'm still learning how much to push it now that I have (finally) found good carbide end mills, replacing the ones picked up over the last 20 years. Regards - John.

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 10:33:22 John Alexander Stewart did opine: Gene; my KX1 has circa 7,000 rpm on it, and, with the Mesa and G540, it can really move. (running motors at 40v or so) Thats the 2nd half of my problem, I only have a 28 volt, 11 amp switcher in that box for the mill. So

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Gene; I'm still learning how much to push it now that I have (finally) found good carbide end mills, replacing the ones picked up over the last 20 years. I've been getting my smaller stuff from Midwest Circuit Supply, but probably am paying too much if the fleabay stuff is actually sharp

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 11:28:31 John Alexander Stewart did opine: Gene; I'm still learning how much to push it now that I have (finally) found good carbide end mills, replacing the ones picked up over the last 20 years. I've been getting my smaller stuff from Midwest

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/28/2014 12:31 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: This latter is a common lament from all of us table toppers I imagine. I am amazed that they put in something that can only turn 2500 revs, then we put motors on it that are fully capable of moving fast enough to stall said motor even when its

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 12:48:57 Jon Elson did opine: On 02/28/2014 12:31 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: This latter is a common lament from all of us table toppers I imagine. I am amazed that they put in something that can only turn 2500 revs, then we put motors on it that are fully capable

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That is generally a no, unless the stepper is running in idle mode. The problem is the negative torque curve of the stepper vs its speeds, meaning that if it slips a cog, it will be stopped as its in-capable of resuming

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread andy pugh
On 26 February 2014 06:11, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: to make cnc mill faster in rep rap deposition, head will have 2 axis. I wonder if it would be possible to use some sort of pantograph mechanism to achieve low-force fast-motion from a high-force slow-motion milling machine system? --

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:17 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2014 06:11, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: to make cnc mill faster in rep rap deposition, head will have 2 axis. I wonder if it would be possible to use some sort of pantograph mechanism to achieve

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 February 2014 06:57:33 Mark Wendt did opine: On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That is generally a no, unless the stepper is running in idle mode. The problem is the negative torque curve of the stepper vs its speeds, meaning that if

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/27/2014 6:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 26 February 2014 06:11, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: to make cnc mill faster in rep rap deposition, head will have 2 axis. I wonder if it would be possible to use some sort of pantograph mechanism to achieve low-force fast-motion from a high-force

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread jeremy youngs
gene stated FWIW, I have the mixed rubber washer/fender washer style dampers on my motors except for the one on my A/B/C table. I should make another for it, but I find its speed is adequate without it. They are a huge help at soaking up the mid-band resonances that can cause a stall at

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 February 2014 19:57:14 jeremy youngs did opine: gene stated FWIW, I have the mixed rubber washer/fender washer style dampers on my motors except for the one on my A/B/C table. I should make another for it, but I find its speed is adequate without it. They are a huge help

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 February 2014 20:04:27 jeremy youngs did opine: gene stated FWIW, I have the mixed rubber washer/fender washer style dampers on my motors except for the one on my A/B/C table. I should make another for it, but I find its speed is adequate without it. They are a huge help

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread jeremy youngs
looked at it a dozen times in the last 2 yrs and didnt ever see the fender washer item , i could have thought about going there but i was running to an appointment and chaing down some batteries to go off grid i will check it out gene . jeremy youngs On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Gene

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread jeremy youngs
hmmm... yours look bigger than jeffs drawing , i dont have dual shaft motors , i wonder if adding a large damper at the other end of my screw would work, i have 2 dials , steel 1 in thick 3 in diameter a couple pieces of rubber and a nut should do it , i will put this on my list thanks gene

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 February 2014 21:51:36 jeremy youngs did opine: hmmm... yours look bigger than jeffs drawing , They are, made from old 1.75 mine shafting, with lots of swarf on the floor by the time I was done. i dont have dual shaft motors , Ouch. i wonder if adding a large damper at the

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread jeremy youngs
hmmm i wonder is the hamonic in the shaft or the motor housing , most likely the shaft. when i made the delrin nut it helped my stall quite a bit i may be able to figure a way to damp the coupling , or belt drive it which i have been considering and then damp the pulley jeremy youngs On Thu,

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/27/2014 07:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I should also mention that servos do their magic by exploiting the error budget, limits set before throwing an error in the .INI file. The way we gear steppers, in the distance they move per full step, normally 1/200 of a revolution, will

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread jeremy youngs
ohh , i just realized i completely highjacked this thread , poor etiquette indeed, my apologies , long hard day sorry jeremy youngs On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 02/27/2014 07:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I should also mention that servos do

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 February 2014 22:35:15 Jon Elson did opine: On 02/27/2014 07:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I should also mention that servos do their magic by exploiting the error budget, limits set before throwing an error in the .INI file. The way we gear steppers, in the distance they

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/27/2014 09:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 February 2014 22:35:15 Jon Elson did opine: On 02/27/2014 07:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I should also mention that servos do their magic by exploiting the error budget, limits set before throwing an error in the .INI file. The way we

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 01:04:55 Jon Elson did opine: On 02/27/2014 09:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 February 2014 22:35:15 Jon Elson did opine: On 02/27/2014 07:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I should also mention that servos do their magic by exploiting the error budget,

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-26 Thread andy pugh
On 26 February 2014 06:11, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: my question is can i use on one system 3 ac servomotors and 2 stepper motors? Yes, there is absolutely no reason why not. (Your extra axes would conventionally be U and V rather than A and B) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-26 Thread a k
Hi i have stepper motor from Keling Technology KL23H2100-35-4b and Microstep Driver kl5056 question: if i add to that stepper motor shaft encoder like

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 February 2014 15:29:32 a k did opine: Hi i have stepper motor from Keling Technology KL23H2100-35-4b and Microstep Driver kl5056 question: if i add to that stepper motor shaft encoder like http://www.ebay.com/itm/400P-R-incremental-rotary-encoder-400-pulses-MAX

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-26 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:24:08 -0800, you wrote: Hi i have stepper motor from Keling Technology KL23H2100-35-4b and Microstep Driver kl5056 question: if i add to that stepper motor shaft encoder like

[Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-25 Thread a k
hi i want to build deposition head for regular cnc mill to transfer mill into reprap . to make cnc mill faster in rep rap deposition, head will have 2 axis. if cnc mill has 3 axis xyz and deposition head will have 2 more axis A and B so whole machine - reprap unit total axis 5. on my machine i use

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 February 2014 03:52, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: Now I think LiunuxCNC would be a good candidate for a machine like that. The RD manager of http://www.metallisation.com/ is an old friend of mine... -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-06 Thread a k
only this 3 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52chDT-IAxw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0fiWx8RyM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBmZboRyC0 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:44 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: Why limit your design to a tool holder? Make it a 3/4 shaft so any tool

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-06 Thread Jeshua Lacock
Greetings, Here is a 5-axis laser sintering CNC machine [DROL]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA It makes perfect sense. Its eliminating the cast part altogether and having it perfectly clamped and positioned on a 5-axis CNC machine. And proves it can be practical to switch

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/2/2014 5:50 PM, a k wrote: Hi i found that this and many other companies manufacture 3D printer http://indimension3.com/our-3d-printers They also manufacture head that attached to basically 3d CNC 3 axis mill. So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another tool to CNC mill

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2014 01:46, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: i look from point of reality that in manufacturing sector of economy. there are mix of jobs. mix can and will include 3D printing. what to do in this case? go and buy another whole machine? I think in most cases the economics will

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-03 Thread John Thornton
Why limit your design to a tool holder? Make it a 3/4 shaft so any tool holder can hold it. Of course if it was a popular design you would think that the market would be flooded with cheap Chinlee versions. JT On 2/3/2014 2:21 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/2/2014 5:50 PM, a k wrote: Hi i

[Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread a k
Hi i found that this and many other companies manufacture 3D printer http://indimension3.com/our-3d-printers They also manufacture head that attached to basically 3d CNC 3 axis mill. So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another tool to CNC mill on the CAT 40 or CAT 50 tool holder? in

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2014 00:50, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another tool to CNC mill on the CAT 40 or CAT 50 tool holder? It ought to work, but the typical 3D printer moves a lot faster than a milling machine. -- atp If you can't fix it, you

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread Ralph Stirling
holder. It attaches to the side of the spindle housing. -- Ralph From: andy pugh [bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 4:55 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] next big thing On 3 February 2014 00:50, a k

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread Bruce Layne
As Andy already mentioned, 3D printers are optimized for speed and milling machines and routers are optimized more for rigidity. Superficially, they seem very similar and it should be possible to make a quick change head and convert a single machine between the two functions, but you'll at

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 02 February 2014 20:19:04 a k did opine: Hi i found that this and many other companies manufacture 3D printer http://indimension3.com/our-3d-printers They also manufacture head that attached to basically 3d CNC 3 axis mill. So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread a k
(EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] next big thing On 3 February 2014 00:50, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another tool to CNC mill on the CAT 40 or CAT 50 tool holder? It ought to work, but the typical 3D printer moves a lot faster than

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread Joseph Chiu
. It attaches to the side of the spindle housing. -- Ralph From: andy pugh [bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 4:55 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] next big thing On 3 February 2014 00:50, a k pccncmach

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread a k
About accuracy of 3D printing head. for pattern shop - manufacturing pattern for cast iron pump - 12 and bigger pattern has tolerance +/- 0.1 yes it is for cast iron foundry. i know that for sure. this regular 3 axis mill will not do accurate 3D printing as a Object machine (accuracy +/- 0.001

Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-02 Thread Bari
On 02/02/2014 07:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: But the speed considerations involved in laying a consistent thickness of material, are highly dependent on the speed and accels of a print head that moves, and weighs perhaps a pound, often much less. Now, translate that motion into the table of