Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread andrew beck
just a update guys. I forgot to add it to my drawing but I have a big isolator switch of course on the doors of the machine and the x axis servo has a ground wire. I forgot to add them to the drawing and Gene mentioned it. I will also switch the breaker on the shed board off so I have two forms

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> I'll offer my recently purchased 6040 mill as prime evidence of paint > pretty much destroying my ability to ground anything. And to complicate > things even a Q TLO measure is prevented by ceramic bearings in the > spindle which are an insulator. ... Ceramic bearings might be there to

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 29 December 2019 13:32:09 John Dammeyer wrote: > I use > > The standard symbols on my drawings to represent what a ground is. > The nomenclature is so varied I believe the first decision should be > how to describe what is what. > > For me the EARTH symbol is the green (Green/Yellow)

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread John Dammeyer
I use The standard symbols on my drawings to represent what a ground is. The nomenclature is so varied I believe the first decision should be how to describe what is what. For me the EARTH symbol is the green (Green/Yellow) wire that goes back to the circuit breaker panel and from there

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, andrew beck wrote: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 23:19:20 +1300 From: andrew beck Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 29 December 2019 05:37:36 andrew beck wrote: > Hey everyone > > So just getting to the bottom of these emails and thanks so much for > all the replies. > > There is much food for thought. > > If you missed it up in the emails here is the current plan for wiring > the control panel. > >

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 29 December 2019 05:19:20 andrew beck wrote: > Hey Andy > > I am just going through all the replies now. > > So what I think happened is I put like 300 volts possibly through the > servo motor. Not just 24 volts. as I had a cheap chinese power > supply that was floating and not tied

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread andrew beck
Hey everyone So just getting to the bottom of these emails and thanks so much for all the replies. There is much food for thought. If you missed it up in the emails here is the current plan for wiring the control panel. yuhai servo drive manual

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread andrew beck
Hey Gene thanks for the reply. I think I follow most of what you said there. And my neutral and ground will only be tied back at the shed main electrical box definitely. I think the main problem I have is how the 24 volt powersupplies should be wired and connected to frame ground. I have sent

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-29 Thread andrew beck
Hey Andy I am just going through all the replies now. So what I think happened is I put like 300 volts possibly through the servo motor. Not just 24 volts. as I had a cheap chinese power supply that was floating and not tied to ground. It was a big spark that jumped to the steel and it blew

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-27 Thread N
No. I am talking about voltage drops in cables used to power devices. It might also be AC impedance is rather high at frequencies used for communication and device use power in smaller or larger bursts. Problem is there is voltage drop in cable used to power DC and/or AC but no or to be exact

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-27 Thread N
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 19:03, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > > All the rules try to do the same thing, connect nuetral to ground ONLY > > at the building service entrance > > Off-topic, but that isn't the only way to do it. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system > Is an interesting

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-27 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 19:03, Chris Albertson wrote: > All the rules try to do the same thing, connect nuetral to ground ONLY > at the building service entrance Off-topic, but that isn't the only way to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system Is an interesting read. -- atp "A

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 27 December 2019 00:04:32 Chris Albertson wrote: > I think you are confusing ground and neutral. Ground should never > move off zero. But the neutral can be up to about 5 volts above > ground. > Which is why, as a CET, I like to specify static ground, which on this side of the

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-26 Thread Chris Albertson
I think you are confusing ground and neutral. Ground should never move off zero. But the neutral can be up to about 5 volts above ground. On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 2:26 PM N wrote: > > Current used to power device will cause some voltage drop in ground so grond > potential at device will be

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-26 Thread N
Current used to power device will cause some voltage drop in ground so grond potential at device will be higher. Ground potential will also vary with power used by device. This higher potential might cause a problem if there for example is digital communicatin between devices. > A ground loop

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-26 Thread Chris Albertson
A ground loop is then a single device is connected to ground more than once. A good example is a motor driver. It might in a "power" input called "+" and "-" with the minus side grounded to the AC mains ground or a chassis frame ground. The in addition there is a logic level control

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 26 December 2019 01:49:40 andrew beck wrote: > Hey guys. > > I have a bit of a story here and some questions.. I Have been seeing > the emails coming through and there looks like there is a massive pool > of knowledge here in the user list and the forum. So here it goes > hopefully

Re: [Emc-users] looking for advice on best wiring practices and grounding on cnc mills

2019-12-26 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 26 Dec 2019, at 06:49, andrew beck wrote: > > That meant that the brake actually had a lot more than 24 volts in > it relative to machine earth(like 200v I am guessing, it was a big bang!) That shouldn’t normally matter. I would be very surprised if the brake winging insulation wasn’t