Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread John Dammeyer
What follows is a long story about how the ground in a DC system moves around. This isn't the first time I've run into an issue on DC bus power systems. Almost 10 years ago I was responsible for the electronics design and software for this project. http://www.autoartisans.com/rings/Barge1a.jpg

Re: [Emc-users] So, how's Ethernet?

2018-07-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 July 2018 at 09:01, Sven Wesley wrote: > "GR80x80 Asto 24V von Dunkermotoren". My controller says 60 V on the data > sign. Those sound like they are probably brushed-DC servos. http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product=83_90_id=141 might work as the drives. Or the Pico

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread John Dammeyer
I believe twisted cables are more immune to externally induced interference. The twists result in the noise canceled out at the receiving ends. John > > Yes of course this is true. But it is true if the wires are twisted 1, 4 > or 16 times per inch. Why does twist help? > > OK I just

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread John Dammeyer
For reducing interference DC grounds are often connected to the metal cabinet with capacitors. The path of HF noise is often not what you think compared to DC. Sometimes also done with, as you suggest, a high value resistor in parallel with a capacitor. But I agree. Following the rules is

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 1:14 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Nope, and any current flowing out is matched by a current coming back, > and when they add at a distance, they are essentially canceling because > one matches the other but has an opposite sign. > Yes of course this is true. But it is

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 July 2018 14:40:24 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:26 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 14 July 2018 11:57:10 Jon Elson wrote: > > > > Preferably as a twisted pair so the radiation of noise largely > > cancels at 2x the twist rate distance or more. A

Re: [Emc-users] plug in

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Albertson
First off many people can use different Linux distributions with no issues. If you have different experience then likely it is because of something you have done different from most others My first guess is that if C++ code you wrote causes a problem at the system level then likely, maybe you

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Albertson
>From a safety point of view. It is best to follow rules from local safety labs be it in the US or EU. Basically if you have a metal cabinet with AC power inside The cabinet MUST be grounded to the earth pin on the power socket and there are rules about using a dedicated screw (not used for

[Emc-users] plug in

2018-07-14 Thread a k
hi interesting about operating system to where plug in different thing like linuxcnc plug in as good as system which it use. i use ubuntu 16.04. very good. very easy to get to internet. what else need? only after i load code block ( c++ programming) instantly "Ubuntu software" stop working - does

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:26 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 14 July 2018 11:57:10 Jon Elson wrote: > > Preferably as a twisted pair so the radiation of noise largely cancels at > 2x the twist rate distance or more. A tight twist = less radiated noise. > No doubt twisting helps, but I

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread John Dammeyer
The power supply cabinet I'm putting together for my Mill has a terminal strip with ground and 105VDC power (1500W) with one pair of terminals for each axis. From that strip I run one pair to each Servo Drive. From each Servo Drive a pair to the motor. The encoder cables enter the Servo Drives

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 July 2018 11:57:10 Jon Elson wrote: > On 07/14/2018 02:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Not exactly 100% correct John. High frequencies are > > generally carried only by current flow at the skin of a > > conductor. And the large conductor, while having some rise > > in impedance, is

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/14/2018 02:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Not exactly 100% correct John. High frequencies are generally carried only by current flow at the skin of a conductor. And the large conductor, while having some rise in impedance, is still the better conductor because the smaller wire has far less

Re: [Emc-users] interesting power transmission

2018-07-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 July 2018 09:13:12 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > I've seen roller racks before but this is circular. > > something says to me "Bridgeport belt replacer" > > other voices says "hmm, weak force transfer" > > but a beautiful disk and interesting programming problem > > TomP > > >

[Emc-users] interesting power transmission

2018-07-14 Thread TJoseph Powderly
I've seen roller racks before but this is circular. something says to me "Bridgeport belt replacer" other voices says "hmm, weak force transfer" but a beautiful disk and interesting programming problem TomP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9gQ1KRhesM

Re: [Emc-users] So, how's Ethernet?

2018-07-14 Thread Sven Wesley
Thanks Peter and Andy for your input. I don't put much trust in the internal hardware, no documentation what so ever except for the spindle VFD. There is a retrofitted machine on eBay, but too many differences. The servos looks the same and is specified as "GR80x80 Asto 24V von Dunkermotoren". My

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 July 2018 03:13:49 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > That's pretty much standard these days. > > > > > > I don't understand the desire to connect two lines together > > > because they 'seem' to be of the same magnitude. 0VDC is Not > > > equal to Gnd Many systems will have multiple 5V

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 July 2018 01:22:12 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:25 AM Roland Jollivet > > > wrote: > > > That's pretty much standard these days. > > > > I don't understand the desire to connect two lines together because > > they 'seem' to be of the same magnitude. 0VDC is

Re: [Emc-users] Grounding

2018-07-14 Thread John Dammeyer
> > > That's pretty much standard these days. > > > > I don't understand the desire to connect two lines together because they > > 'seem' to be of the same magnitude. 0VDC is Not equal to Gnd > > Many systems will have multiple 5V power lines, heavy, light, designated. > > Do you want to link