Re: [Emc-users] 'automatically' go halfway between 2 points

[John Dammeyer]

WARNING! The following message does not conform to CoC as it's wordy and 
useless.
=
So I got to use that halfway between points operation today.  

To set Y=0.0 between the fixed and movable jaws of the vise holding hollow 
round stock with my LED indicator 0.2" diameter touch probe.
  
Before that, using a 1-2-3 block as a reference on the top of the vise I had 
created a tool table with 6 tools using this link:
https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
Screen shot of the tool table.  That document is printed on both sides of the 
page and will become a permanent fixture by the mill.

Once I had the center of the round piece I was able to touch off using the 
center drill and a thin piece of paper.  Then put a dimple into the piece.  
Next a tool change to the #21 drill.  I went to XY Zero (using button that now 
works)   And then used the jog and MPG to sneak up to Z Zero.  And sure 
enough when the drill bit tip was just clear of the dimple from the center 
drill the DRO said 0.000.  Tool offset working.

A hand drill operation and then a tool change to #6.

One hand on ESTOP, one hand on my heart I ran my tapping demo and watched the 
tap move over from the tool change position to XY Zero and then down to 0.1" 
above.  And then the spindle came on and down it went. And up it came.  And 
then the vise moved to the finish position and I unclamped a piece with a 
perfect 10-32 tapped hole.

Scary but successful.  Thanks everyone for the help.  My spiral taps have 
arrived so I might just try something in steel.  

John Dammeyer


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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

[Dave Cole]

Did I miss an incident that prompted this?


Apparently not. I have asked the same question and nothing has been brought up, 
cited, etc.
I have no idea why it was written.

Unless this COC adds more features to LCNC or fixes bugs, does the dishes, or 
launders my clothes etc, I am going to ignore it.

I recommend the same.

Carry on.

I don't think it is worth the brain space.

Dave



On 7/13/2021 10:30 AM, Greg Bernard wrote:

Although I'm pretty much a "lurker" on this list, I have been reading it
daily for 7 or 8 years and can't recall any instances of rudeness,
bullying, or other untoward behavior by anyone. There have been a couple of
instances of someone interjecting a political opinion which was either
silently ignored or promptly dismissed with an admonition that this was not
the place for such expression and that was the end of it. Did I miss an
incident that prompted this?


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 8:31 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:


On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:


And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
necessary.

Mark

Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going
back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying
us.


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi


wrote:

I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
freely-shared opinions.

That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.

Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
list admins.


Stay well and God be with you.






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From: Bruce Layne 
To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
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On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.

That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.

 From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."

The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
for the Visigoths to destroy it.

As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
entropy to destroy what others have created.







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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

[Greg Bernard]

Although I'm pretty much a "lurker" on this list, I have been reading it
daily for 7 or 8 years and can't recall any instances of rudeness,
bullying, or other untoward behavior by anyone. There have been a couple of
instances of someone interjecting a political opinion which was either
silently ignored or promptly dismissed with an admonition that this was not
the place for such expression and that was the end of it. Did I miss an
incident that prompted this?


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 8:31 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> > And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
> > of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
> > necessary.
> >
> > Mark
>
> Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going
> back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying
> us.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi
> > 
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> > > proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> > > freely-shared opinions.
> > >
> > > That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
> > > so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
> > > every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
> > > that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
> > > post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
> > >
> > > Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
> > > for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
> > > destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
> > > Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> > > reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> > > list admins.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stay well and God be with you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Forwarded Message 
> > > From: Bruce Layne 
> > > To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> > > Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
> > >  Thunderbird/78.11.0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> > > See if that endures after the mess.
> > >
> > > That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
> > > mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
> > > community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.
> > >
> > > From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
> > > Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
> > > you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
> > > demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
> > > beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
> > >
> > > The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> > > easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> > > examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> > > projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
> > > corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
> > > cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
> > > work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
> > > for the Visigoths to destroy it.
> > >
> > > As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
> > > to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
> > > entropy to destroy what others have created.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
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> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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>  - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:

> And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
> of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
> necessary.
>
> Mark

Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going 
back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying 
us.

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi
> 
>
> wrote:
> > I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> > proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> > freely-shared opinions.
> >
> > That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
> > so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
> > every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
> > that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
> > post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
> >
> > Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
> > for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
> > destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
> > Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> > reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> > list admins.
> >
> >
> > Stay well and God be with you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > From: Bruce Layne 
> > To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> > Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
> >  Thunderbird/78.11.0
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> > See if that endures after the mess.
> >
> > That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
> > mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
> > community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.
> >
> > From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
> > Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
> > you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
> > demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
> > beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
> >
> > The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> > easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> > examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> > projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
> > corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
> > cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
> > work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
> > for the Visigoths to destroy it.
> >
> > As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
> > to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
> > entropy to destroy what others have created.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

[Mark Wendt]

And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes of
those on this list who feel that something like this is totally necessary.

Mark

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi 
wrote:

> I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> freely-shared opinions.
>
> That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list, so
> that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed every
> day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction that
> diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you post it
> will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
>
> Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter for
> marking as spam everything from this list with off-list destination to
> my private address, exception for the list admins.
> Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> list admins.
>
>
> Stay well and God be with you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> From: Bruce Layne 
> To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
>  Thunderbird/78.11.0
>
>
>
> On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> See if that endures after the mess.
>
> That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The mess
> was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the community, and
> now it's threatening to destroy the community.
>
> From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a Code
> of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if you
> resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our demands
> and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political beliefs, or
> we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
>
> The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying corporations
> into making political statements, etc.  It's called cancel culture and
> it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of work to build Rome but
> it was comparatively a simple and easy thing for the Visigoths to
> destroy it.
>
> As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working to
> reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using entropy
> to destroy what others have created.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark Wendt]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
>
> > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > division and strife
>
> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
>
> --
> atp
>

It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the group
into just that.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[grumpy via Emc-users]

>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
>> division and strife

>No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.

We do not know Jeff's intent since has never commented on this subject.


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Most likely not. The pro-CoC would first have to prove that the CoC is not 
doing any harm - which is kind of impossible, 'cause it has already caused 
harm. 

Then - as there is no formal leadership - who may vote? Not to stress the fact 
that "somebody" already has forced CoC on others and this thead is the reaction 
of that attitude.

BTW, this is going exactly the way CoC agenda works - and that's also the 
reason to keep it out.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:50:38 +0100
 Peter Hodgson scripsit:
> Is it possible to solve this democratically with a vote using something like 
> Survey Monkey?
> 
> Would those passionately for and against accept a democratic decision?
> 
> It seems that the fear both for and against supporters of the CofC have of 
> it’s use (or not) damaging the community is being far outweighed by the level 
> of damage being done by this argument.
> 
> Can we solve it with a majority decision from the group and move on?
> 
> 
> > On 13 Jul 2021, at 11:36, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp  wrote:
> > 
> > Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
> > andy pugh scripsit:
> >>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> >>> division and strife
> >> 
> >> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
> >> 
> > 
> > Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
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> > with the NSA, CIA ...
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Peter Hodgson]

Is it possible to solve this democratically with a vote using something like 
Survey Monkey?

Would those passionately for and against accept a democratic decision?

It seems that the fear both for and against supporters of the CofC have of it’s 
use (or not) damaging the community is being far outweighed by the level of 
damage being done by this argument.

Can we solve it with a majority decision from the group and move on?


> On 13 Jul 2021, at 11:36, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp  wrote:
> 
> Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
> andy pugh scripsit:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
>>> division and strife
>> 
>> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
>> 
> 
> Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?
> 
> Nik
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
 andy pugh scripsit:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> 
> > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > division and strife
> 
> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
> 

Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?

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[Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
freely-shared opinions.

That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list, so
that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed every
day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction that
diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you post it
will be read at end of the month and not immediately.

Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter for
marking as spam everything from this list with off-list destination to
my private address, exception for the list admins.
Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
list admins.


Stay well and God be with you.






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From: Bruce Layne 
To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
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On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.

That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The mess
was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the community, and
now it's threatening to destroy the community.

>From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a Code
of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if you
resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our demands
and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political beliefs, or
we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."

The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying corporations
into making political statements, etc.  It's called cancel culture and
it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of work to build Rome but
it was comparatively a simple and easy thing for the Visigoths to
destroy it.

As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working to
reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using entropy
to destroy what others have created.







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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[andy pugh]

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:

> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

[Mark]

On 7/12/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Tue, 2021-07-13 at 02:05 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

So forcing CoC on all others is mature behaviour, isn't it?

Nik


yes, it is sign that one cares about the quality of the project.



Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political 
division and strife in a group of people where little to none existed 
before.  Well, in that the CoC has surpassed it's goals and intentions.



Mark



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Re: [Emc-users] 'automatically' go halfway between 2 points

[Les Newell]

That's so wrong on so many levels really.  Either continue the previous section or throw 
up a "Repeated Section" warning or error.  If it knows to ignore it then it 
also has the ability to do throw up an error.



The LinuxCNC ini format is based on the old Windows ini format, which 
also does not allow repeated sections. The ini format was originally 
designed for a single file and in that case repeated sections don't 
really make sense. #include is a later addition.



Should that not be for the Y axis with the G92Y...?
Y/2 (runs code G92Y[#5421 / 2])



Yes, it should. I just copied/pasted the previous line and changed the 
parameter number. I forgot to change the sxis as well.



Les



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