Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-26 Thread Chris Albertson
The problem is not with Linux itself but with the way the programs are distributed. Almost all software depends on a LOT of external libraries and these, in turn, depend on others. And worse they depend on some version of the library. Linux distributions come with many of these libraries pr

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-26 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 04:11, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > OK, so if you are a software developer, I respect your trade. I assume > you are making money. Great. If you ported that program to Linux then > perhaps you could sell to different crowd and brag about it also. He is the author of SheetCAM. H

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:11 PM Rafael Skodlar wrote: > On 3/25/19 4:01 AM, Les Newell wrote: > > > >> Is this a mailing list about LinuxCNC or windows crap?! > Both, I think.It is pretty clear that to use CNC you need some kind of design software (or stay with very simple designs that can b

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-25 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 3/25/19 4:01 AM, Les Newell wrote: Is this a mailing list about LinuxCNC or windows crap?! Someone asked why there isn't a Linux version of Fusion and I explained some of the technical reasons why. I run "stock trading app" written in Java on Linux just fine. It's obvious the app is  m

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-25 Thread Les Newell
Is this a mailing list about LinuxCNC or windows crap?! Someone asked why there isn't a Linux version of Fusion and I explained some of the technical reasons why. I run "stock trading app" written in Java on Linux just fine. It's obvious the app is  mostly focused on Windows. It's very poo

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/24/2019 07:14 PM, andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 00:06, Chris Albertson wrote: There is another way to run Fusion without Windows that works even better. Run it on MacOS. I have 27" iMac. That's been my solution. In fact I actually do the majority of my _LinuxCNC_ development

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 March 2019 19:58:31 Martin Dobbins wrote: > > > Well if it's going to put some money in Gene's pocket, I'm all for it > > I would be happy too, except what most folks want me to do when they find out I have the machinery involves a class 3 FFL, $500 a year, so thats a bridge I onl

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 5:15 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 00:06, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > > There is another way to run Fusion without Windows that works even > better. > > Run it on MacOS. I have 27" iMac. > > That's been my solution. In fact I actually do the majority of

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360 / Conversation code

2019-03-24 Thread Chris Albertson
It's kind of self-fulfilling. You get 2.5 D jobs because you do 2.5 D jobs. If you could make the organic shape parts for a prosthetic hand you would get jobs making the organic shape parts for a prosthetic hand. My use of this is at best a hobby/business I hope to pay for the tools I use. Bu

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 March 2019 19:43:09 andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 23:28, Martin Dobbins wrote: > > Maybe one day Fusion 360 will be browser based and therefore not > > choosy about OS? > > They tried that, it wasn't a raging success. > > And you can guarantee that it would cash Gene's Fi

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 00:06, Chris Albertson wrote: > There is another way to run Fusion without Windows that works even better. > Run it on MacOS. I have 27" iMac. That's been my solution. In fact I actually do the majority of my _LinuxCNC_ development sat at the Mac, using a combination of

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Chris Albertson
Thanks, that saved me some time.I had wondered if Fusion 360 would run under Wine. Some software does, some do not. You have to just try and see. It's good to know that it does. I'd still worry a little about the graphics driver interface that Wine presents. Fusion like all 3D software n

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Martin Dobbins
Well if it's going to put some money in Gene's pocket, I'm all for it Martin From: andy pugh On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 23:28, Martin Dobbins wrote: > > Maybe one day Fusion 360 will be browser based and therefore not choosy about > OS? They tried that, it wasn

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 23:28, Martin Dobbins wrote: > > Maybe one day Fusion 360 will be browser based and therefore not choosy about > OS? They tried that, it wasn't a raging success. And you can guarantee that it would cash Gene's Firefox. :-) -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandem

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Martin Dobbins
Sure, the way Microsoft has "educated" the world, people are only buying (leasing) their "OS" (or more likely buying a machine with their OS installed) because it runs a particular application they need or want to use. MS DOS was something that they bought from somebody else inexpensively (it s

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360 / Conversation code

2019-03-24 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 23:07, Marshland Engineering wrote: > > There are some very good engineers on this forum and I was wondering if any > see any merit in making a system that runs conversation mode almost > exclusively. Is NativeCAM anywhere close? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a p

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 19:45, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Actually, Fusion already runs on a Linux machine, Make a VM with Window 10 > in the Linux computer then put Fusion on the VM. You can do it without Windows at all. https://edmarhobby.blogspot.com/2019/03/running-fusion-360-in-linux-with-wi

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360 / Conversation code

2019-03-24 Thread Marshland Engineering
A very interesting discussion. I have delved into Fusion 360 plus a number of other packages but I still revert back to Turbocad as it is quick and does what I want. All the work I get is 2.5D. If I was making assemblies, then 3D would be great but I make parts for companies and I normally just use

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 March 2019 15:47:23 tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: > Indeed! I've always said one should run Windows as an application in > Unix as god intended ;-) -Tom > > > On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Chris Albertson > > wrote: > > > > Almost all of this Windows BS goes away if you run Windows in a VM.

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread Chris Albertson
My claim about Windows from the beginning in the 1990's was that no one ever bought Windows because they wanted to run Windows. They bought it because they wanted to run MS Office or some game or some other software that requires Windows. Or, I guess another reason is they bought it because i

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-24 Thread tom-emc
Indeed! I've always said one should run Windows as an application in Unix as god intended ;-) -Tom > On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > Almost all of this Windows BS goes away if you run Windows in a VM.The > easy and secure way to run Windows is to first install

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
Almost all of this Windows BS goes away if you run Windows in a VM.The easy and secure way to run Windows is to first install Linux (or use Mac OS if on a Mac) and then a VM and then Windows.Then it does not need video or wifi drivers and you can snapshot the new Windows 10 install and late

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Rafael Skodlar
Sorry Les, but ... On 3/23/19 1:37 PM, Les Newell wrote: Hi Andy, (Which is based on BSD, so a Linux port would be easy, if they chose to do it) Porting closed  source code to Linux is very difficult to do. Windows Is this a mailing list about LinuxCNC or windows crap?! I run "stock trad

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Bruce Layne
On 3/23/19 7:11 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > Dunno why Microsoft cannot stop re-breaking things in Windows 10 after > they've fixed them. The RTM release had major problems with a large number of > laptop WiFi adapters. Took them almost a year to put out a fix, which they > had to

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360 - distributing closed source code

2019-03-23 Thread Les Newell
Docker and appimage basically rely on packaging as many libraries as possible and hoping for the best. Even then if you rely on newer versions of libc or libstcc++ than your target distro you are SOL. If your application relies on C++11 or C++17 features you can't just build it on an old system

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
If you have Windows 7 or 8 installed you can upgrade for free. Find the gatherosstate.exe file on the Windows 10 disc or ISO. Copy it to the desktop and run it. Copy the genuineticket file it creates somewhere off the computer. Now you can erase the installed Windows and do a clean install of 10

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/03/2019 21:30, Jon Elson wrote: If you're trying EDA software, I found Kicad to be far easier to learn and use than Eagle or Geda - and it's quite powerful these days. I still run an expensive licensed version of Protel99 SE. It has a few quirks, but is quite solid and the schematic vs.

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:04 PM Greg Bernard wrote: > "The biggest problem with the beginners free trial is that its way too > short, and a couple of them are downright insulting in their insistence > to sell you a real licence when the 30 days has expired, Draftsight and > Solidworks are both gu

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/23/2019 01:34 PM, Moses McKnight wrote: On 3/23/19 1:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: ... Gotta learn geda and friends I guess. If you're trying EDA software, I found Kicad to be far easier to learn and use than Eagle or Geda - and it's quite powerful these days. I still run an expensive

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Greg Bernard
"The biggest problem with the beginners free trial is that its way too short, and a couple of them are downright insulting in their insistence to sell you a real licence when the 30 days has expired, Draftsight and Solidworks are both guilty of the extreme hard sell." I haven't found that true wit

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
There are ways around this and it might make sense to distribute your software in a portable way. Years ago "everything" was distributed as source code file with instructions that read "edit the Makefile as required then type "Make install" as root.Then we saw Autotools which could edit the

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Les Newell
Hi Andy, (Which is based on BSD, so a Linux port would be easy, if they chose to do it) Porting closed  source code to Linux is very difficult to do. Windows and Mac have consistent libraries. I can take a binary that was written for Win2K and run it on Win10. Conversely I can build a progra

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:56 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 19:45, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > > > Actually, Fusion already runs on a Linux machine, Make a VM with Window > 10 > > in the Linux computer then put Fusion on the VM. > > But how much does a Windows 10 Licence cost? It

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 19:45, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Actually, Fusion already runs on a Linux machine, Make a VM with Window 10 > in the Linux computer then put Fusion on the VM. But how much does a Windows 10 Licence cost? It seems to be around £189 (for a full retail rathe than OEM version)

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
Actually, Fusion already runs on a Linux machine, Make a VM with Window 10 in the Linux computer then put Fusion on the VM. It runs very close to native speed. I was able to get an older copy of Mac OS to run on the VM under Linux but it was not practical, only useful for saying "look at this"

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
I second that. Eagle used to be the only one that was stable and had a decent library. Then KiCAD gained a source of development funding with CERN (yhe European physics lab) and they added some paid developers and KiCAD "took off". They leap frogged Eagle in only a couple years. But Eagle was

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:49, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > Anybody or a company that is so narrow minded to produce their software > product for one crappy OS is STUPID! Fusion also runs on Mac OS. (Which is based on BSD, so a Linux port would be easy, if they chose to do it) -- atp "A motorcycle

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Moses McKnight
On 3/23/19 1:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: ... Gotta learn geda and friends I guess. If you're trying EDA software, I found Kicad to be far easier to learn and use than Eagle or Geda - and it's quite powerful these days. Moses ___ Emc-users mailin

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 March 2019 13:47:27 Rafael Skodlar wrote: > On 3/22/19 2:14 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: > > Anyone on here have opinions on Fusion 360 Cad/Cam by Autodesk? > > Opinions is one thing, experience is another. After few mentions about > Fusion on this mailing list in the past I briefly look

Re: [Emc-users] ConFusion 360

2019-03-23 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 3/22/19 2:14 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: Anyone on here have opinions on Fusion 360 Cad/Cam by Autodesk? Opinions is one thing, experience is another. After few mentions about Fusion on this mailing list in the past I briefly looked at it and that was it. Anything from here is my _opinion_ ba