Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper

2010-09-09 Thread John Kasunich
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:22 -0700, Speaker To-Dirt speaker_2_d...@yahoo.com wrote: For what it's worth. I stumbled across this by accident. At a tool change take your tool to an area where there's still a surface z0.000. End the move with z1.000. Remove the tool, and insert the new tool.

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper

2010-09-09 Thread Andy Pugh
On 9 September 2010 15:52, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: A dowel pin works great for this - very precise, and you can simply push it against the side of the tool, then raise the tool (or lower the knee) slowly until the pin rolls under. I think I have just found a use for the

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Andy Pugh
On 7 September 2010 16:50, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: So say I touch off with one tool from tool table, then switch tool to my desired cutting tool, and the cutting tool would automagically be adjusted vertically to compensate for difference in offsets between the cutting tool and

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Igor, The whole point of tool length offsets is to run the program as if all tools are the same length. Early NC machines had the tool length incorporated in the program and the operator had to match each tool length to the programmed tool length for each tool. There were elaborate tool holders

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
Stuart, thanks. Great explanation. I already set up a little tool table. One more question, is, once I set up the tool table, how to set the initial offset so that the first tool chosen in the program, would be properly adjusted for height. Should I select my first tool in MDI (say M6T2), and

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Andy Pugh
On 8 September 2010 14:20, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Should I select my first tool in MDI (say M6T2), Don't forget the G43... -- atp -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
the g43 is the important part you need to turn on the tool length offset for the tool in the spindle and then the tool will be able to set the work piece coordinate zero On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk wrote: On 8 September 2010 14:20, Igor Chudov

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Igor Chudov
Got it. Do in MDI: M6 T2 G43 (then set height using a sliding gage block) (then set Z=zero) (then start program that again asks for T2.) - Igor On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: the g43 is the important part you need to turn on the tool length offset

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
looks good On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Got it. Do in MDI: M6 T2 G43 (then set height using a sliding gage block) (then set Z=zero) (then start program that again asks for T2.) - Igor On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Stuart Stevenson

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Andy Pugh
On 8 September 2010 15:25, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: (then start program that again asks for T2.) Maybe practice on polystyrene foam... -- atp -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-08 Thread Daniel Goller
For tool measurements off the taper of the holder, for cat 40 and cat 50 at least it should be easy to even purchase blocks to use on the surface plate with a height gage. Every place I worked at had some, so I never had to source out. If this is available for your tool holders it provides nice

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper

2010-09-08 Thread Speaker To-Dirt
For what it's worth. I stumbled across this by accident. At a tool change take your tool to an area where there's still a surface z0.000. End the move with z1.000. Remove the tool, and insert the new tool. Now use a clamp arm from your clamp kit that is 1 on a side. Raise or lower the

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper

2010-09-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Your knee is your tool offset table. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Speaker To-Dirt speaker_2_d...@yahoo.comwrote: For what it's worth. I stumbled across this by accident. At a tool change take your tool to an area where there's still a surface z0.000. End the move with z1.000.

[Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Igor Chudov
Guys, First off, thanks to all for porting EMC to 10.04, it is fantastic. Just a question. I use quick change toolholders based on NMTB-30. I am trying to get a tool table started. And I wonder if I can simply measure the total length of the tool, in toolholder, with a caliper, and then

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
you can use the measured tool length as the number in the tool table you will need to set your z zero to use the measured tool length On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, First off, thanks to all for porting EMC to 10.04, it is fantastic. Just a

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 10:17:01AM -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: Just a question. I use quick change toolholders based on NMTB-30. I am trying to get a tool table started. And I wonder if I can simply measure the total length of the tool, in toolholder, with a caliper, and then subtract say 4

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: you can use the measured tool length as the number in the tool table you will need to set your z zero to use the measured tool length Stuart, do you mean that I have to set my zero by touch off? So say I touch off with

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, First off, thanks to all for porting EMC to 10.04, it is fantastic. Just a question. I use quick change toolholders based on NMTB-30. I am trying to get a tool table started. And I wonder if I can simply measure the total length of the tool, in toolholder, with a

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Ed
Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, First off, thanks to all for porting EMC to 10.04, it is fantastic. Just a question. I use quick change toolholders based on NMTB-30. I am trying to get a tool table started. And I wonder if I can simply measure the total length of the tool, in toolholder, with

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Igor Chudov
Ed, thanks. What do you use to locate Z edge of a part? You cannot use a ball end electronic edge finder, right? - Igor On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Ed ate...@mwt.net wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, First off, thanks to all for porting EMC to 10.04, it is fantastic. Just a

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Ed
Igor Chudov wrote: Ed, thanks. What do you use to locate Z edge of a part? You cannot use a ball end electronic edge finder, right? - Igor I do use the zero tool. Usually I use a carbide end mill as a feeler. As mentioned earlier, bring tool zero down to just above the work piece,

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: you can use the measured tool length as the number in the tool table you will need to set your z zero to use the measured tool length Stuart, do you mean that I have to set my zero by touch

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Ed, thanks. What do you use to locate Z edge of a part? You cannot use a ball end electronic edge finder, right? My hideous technique is to lower the tool close to the part, then feel under the cutting edge with a .005 thick piece of paper. When the paper starts to

Re: [Emc-users] Tool table, setting up offsets with a caliper.

2010-09-07 Thread Igor Chudov
What I am doing now is setting up a tool table using GUI. I first homed the mill. Then I would load one tool after another: for each of them, I would find the Z coordinate so that they barely clear a gage block. Then, I enter the minus of that as Z attribute of the tool. I will try with a piece