Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Kirk, I now have a cd that works. It boots on one pc but not the one I want to use it on. The problematic pc just goes to a blank screen as soon as the boot sequence starts. I have formatted the hard drive on this pc and it was having registry problems before...windows xp. So my problem is specific to this pc. Any suggestions? cm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Wallace Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:39 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Hello Chris, I assume you downloaded an .iso file? This file is an image of the CD that you want. Many times when you create a CD, the CD burning software just copies the file to the CD as a file. What is needed is for the CD burning software to be told to use the .iso to create the new (boot-able) CD from the information within the .iso file. If you look at a directory of your new disk and only see one .iso file, then you need to create another CD using the create CD from an image file feature of your CD burning software. This link might get you started: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BurnIsoImage Kirk Wallace ~~ On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 13:01 -0400, Chris Mason wrote: I have downloaded the software on two different cd's. Neither will boot the machine nor can I get the files to do anything in windows xp. Help!! cm - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
I'll have to get back to you w/that info. What's smp? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Wille Padnos Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:59 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Chris Mason wrote: The ubuntu logo does not show up. The pc has over 600mb of RAM and is running two 500mhz intels. It boots windows xp disk w/no problems. I think bill gates doesn't want me to switch. Heh - that reminds me. I don't think anyone has asked what your hardware is :) I see now that it's an SMP machine. Could you fill us in on the HD, CD-ROM, chipset, CPU type (looks like P3 to me), video controller chip, etc? Thanks - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris Mason wrote: I'll have to get back to you w/that info. What's smp? Symmetrical Multi-Processing - more than one CPU - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris, How about putting the hard drive from the bad machine into the good machine and trying to install onto it there? The other thing would be to get hold of a low level disk repair program and run it on the disk from the suspect machine. If you install the Linux as the only OS on the machine it should reformat the whole disk and probably get rid of any problems generated on there by windoze. -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris Mason wrote: Can you recommend a low level (downloadable) program for cleaning the disk. I'd rather not swap disks around and all that if I can avoid it. I have a feeling that you are right and windows somehow left some crap on the system that I can't seem to shake. I'm sure that's not the problem, with one possible exception. Since you don't get any video from early in the boot sequence, this has nothing to do with what's on disk. I suspect you'd get the same result with no hard disk in the machine. You said The problematic pc just goes to a blank screen as soon as the boot sequence starts. Does that mean that you see the CD boot menu giving you various options (boot Ubuntu, boot in safe graphics mode, run memtest, etc), or does it not even show you that? If you don't get the boot menu from the CD, then I'd just double-check that the BIOS is set to boot from CD *before* hard disk. Older BIOSes were'nt very good at going on to other boot options if the chosen boot media didn't work. The reason you'd have the blank screen would be that the partition table (which is probably still valid) would still be set to boot from the first partition, but there's nothing there to boot. This situation should result in an error, but who knows. A longshot, but I thought I'd mention it :) - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
When the pc first starts to boot (black screen/white letters), it acknowledges that the cd is in and seems to be reading it (some verbage that I don't remember but it seems to know linux is in there). Right after this is when the ubuntu screen appears on the working pc.this is when the screen goes blank on the target pc.by the way,the blank screen seems to have a brown hue...not a totally black screen. The bios has several options to boot fromtwo of the options begin w/cdrom and are followed by other drives.it gives a sequence of drives to boot from. cm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Wille Padnos Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:17 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Chris Mason wrote: Can you recommend a low level (downloadable) program for cleaning the disk. I'd rather not swap disks around and all that if I can avoid it. I have a feeling that you are right and windows somehow left some crap on the system that I can't seem to shake. I'm sure that's not the problem, with one possible exception. Since you don't get any video from early in the boot sequence, this has nothing to do with what's on disk. I suspect you'd get the same result with no hard disk in the machine. You said The problematic pc just goes to a blank screen as soon as the boot sequence starts. Does that mean that you see the CD boot menu giving you various options (boot Ubuntu, boot in safe graphics mode, run memtest, etc), or does it not even show you that? If you don't get the boot menu from the CD, then I'd just double-check that the BIOS is set to boot from CD *before* hard disk. Older BIOSes were'nt very good at going on to other boot options if the chosen boot media didn't work. The reason you'd have the blank screen would be that the partition table (which is probably still valid) would still be set to boot from the first partition, but there's nothing there to boot. This situation should result in an error, but who knows. A longshot, but I thought I'd mention it :) - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
OK. It now sounds to me like the video card is some extremely strange beast (at least relative to the Linux world :) ), or something like the multiprocessor thing is causing issues. I'll be interested in seeing the hardware specs wheen you get them later. I think you may need to install from either the stock Ubuntu CD or the alternate install CD. There are instructions on this wiki page for installing EMC2 on standard Ubuntu 6.06: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_5_10_or_6_06_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages That install process should work, though it will be a little harder (and requires the computer to be connected to the internet). - Steve Chris Mason wrote: When the pc first starts to boot (black screen/white letters), it acknowledges that the cd is in and seems to be reading it (some verbage that I don't remember but it seems to know linux is in there). Right after this is when the ubuntu screen appears on the working pc.this is when the screen goes blank on the target pc.by the way,the blank screen seems to have a brown hue...not a totally black screen. The bios has several options to boot fromtwo of the options begin w/cdrom and are followed by other drives.it gives a sequence of drives to boot from. cm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Wille Padnos Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:17 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Chris Mason wrote: Can you recommend a low level (downloadable) program for cleaning the disk. I'd rather not swap disks around and all that if I can avoid it. I have a feeling that you are right and windows somehow left some crap on the system that I can't seem to shake. I'm sure that's not the problem, with one possible exception. Since you don't get any video from early in the boot sequence, this has nothing to do with what's on disk. I suspect you'd get the same result with no hard disk in the machine. You said The problematic pc just goes to a blank screen as soon as the boot sequence starts. Does that mean that you see the CD boot menu giving you various options (boot Ubuntu, boot in safe graphics mode, run memtest, etc), or does it not even show you that? If you don't get the boot menu from the CD, then I'd just double-check that the BIOS is set to boot from CD *before* hard disk. Older BIOSes were'nt very good at going on to other boot options if the chosen boot media didn't work. The reason you'd have the blank screen would be that the partition table (which is probably still valid) would still be set to boot from the first partition, but there's nothing there to boot. This situation should result in an error, but who knows. A longshot, but I thought I'd mention it :) - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
I'm fairly sure the video card is an oxygen. The system was built for cad/cam several years ago but is still very fast for what I use it for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Wille Padnos Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:33 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu OK. It now sounds to me like the video card is some extremely strange beast (at least relative to the Linux world :) ), or something like the multiprocessor thing is causing issues. I'll be interested in seeing the hardware specs wheen you get them later. I think you may need to install from either the stock Ubuntu CD or the alternate install CD. There are instructions on this wiki page for installing EMC2 on standard Ubuntu 6.06: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_5_10_ or_6_06_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages That install process should work, though it will be a little harder (and requires the computer to be connected to the internet). - Steve Chris Mason wrote: When the pc first starts to boot (black screen/white letters), it acknowledges that the cd is in and seems to be reading it (some verbage that I don't remember but it seems to know linux is in there). Right after this is when the ubuntu screen appears on the working pc.this is when the screen goes blank on the target pc.by the way,the blank screen seems to have a brown hue...not a totally black screen. The bios has several options to boot fromtwo of the options begin w/cdrom and are followed by other drives.it gives a sequence of drives to boot from. cm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Wille Padnos Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:17 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Chris Mason wrote: Can you recommend a low level (downloadable) program for cleaning the disk. I'd rather not swap disks around and all that if I can avoid it. I have a feeling that you are right and windows somehow left some crap on the system that I can't seem to shake. I'm sure that's not the problem, with one possible exception. Since you don't get any video from early in the boot sequence, this has nothing to do with what's on disk. I suspect you'd get the same result with no hard disk in the machine. You said The problematic pc just goes to a blank screen as soon as the boot sequence starts. Does that mean that you see the CD boot menu giving you various options (boot Ubuntu, boot in safe graphics mode, run memtest, etc), or does it not even show you that? If you don't get the boot menu from the CD, then I'd just double-check that the BIOS is set to boot from CD *before* hard disk. Older BIOSes were'nt very good at going on to other boot options if the chosen boot media didn't work. The reason you'd have the blank screen would be that the partition table (which is probably still valid) would still be set to boot from the first partition, but there's nothing there to boot. This situation should result in an error, but who knows. A longshot, but I thought I'd mention it :) - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris Mason wrote: I'm fairly sure the video card is an oxygen. The system was built for cad/cam several years ago but is still very fast for what I use it for. It should work in the VESA/BIOS mode the boot CD uses, but it may not. I don't think 3DLabs was ever very good with Linux drivers, so you may be out of luck there. CAD cards (especially ones that are only expected to work under Windows) often don't implement much of the VESA spec - I guess they figure the card will be put in text mode for the BIOS, the 320x200 mode Windows shows during boot, then some high resolution driver-managed mode. Anything else would be superfluous. - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris Mason wrote: How about switching out the video card? That's a good option. Some old Matrox card (G400 or G450 are good, G200 is passable) would be excellent. - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Kirk, Thanks for the help. I have the files made onto the cd correctly now.I think. When I put in the cd the ubuntu image comes up and it says launching browser, after about 20sec. it just goes away and nothing. If I boot from the cd, a blank screen comes up and just stays there. So still not in business. Let me know what you think. Thank you, Chris Mason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Wallace Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:39 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu Hello Chris, I assume you downloaded an .iso file? This file is an image of the CD that you want. Many times when you create a CD, the CD burning software just copies the file to the CD as a file. What is needed is for the CD burning software to be told to use the .iso to create the new (boot-able) CD from the information within the .iso file. If you look at a directory of your new disk and only see one .iso file, then you need to create another CD using the create CD from an image file feature of your CD burning software. This link might get you started: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BurnIsoImage Kirk Wallace ~~ On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 13:01 -0400, Chris Mason wrote: I have downloaded the software on two different cd's. Neither will boot the machine nor can I get the files to do anything in windows xp. Help!! cm - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Congratulations, you have graduated to the next level of problems. I also had problems loading a couple of my computers. Some of the things to check which may or may not have an effect: 1) Have at least 256mB of RAM. You can reduce this after the installation 2) Use a DVD drive (yeah, wierd, but it worked for me) 3) Use the built-in video feature on your motherboard only (later, for better EMC performance use a pci or agp card, and pci parallel port if you are using a parallel port) 4) Use noacpi(?) or other boot command options. From memory, it is something like - at the opening screen, press F3 (the menu may indicate which). These are installation issues with Ubuntu in general and not EMC. So searching on the above and Ubuntu installation might give you more information. Sorry, for not giving you more specific information, but this should get you pointed in the right direction. After sorting this out, I had no problems during the installations. I can try to fill in the details if needed. Good Luck. Kirk Wallace On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 09:33 -0400, Chris Mason wrote: Kirk, Thanks for the help. I have the files made onto the cd correctly now.I think. When I put in the cd the ubuntu image comes up and it says launching browser, after about 20sec. it just goes away and nothing. If I boot from the cd, a blank screen comes up and just stays there. So still not in business. Let me know what you think. Thank you, Chris Mason - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris Mason wrote: Kirk, Thanks for the help. I have the files made onto the cd correctly now.I think. When I put in the cd the ubuntu image comes up and it says launching browser, after about 20sec. it just goes away and nothing. This is normal. To make room for EMC, the Windows-based demos and programs were removed from the CD. The browser wasn't, so it runs, doesn't find anything to show you, and goes away. If I boot from the cd, a blank screen comes up and just stays there. So still not in business. Let me know what you think. Is the screen always blank, or do you get a boot ment, then some messages+a progress bar, then a blank screen, or is it something different from those? One additional thing to try is to download a stock Ubuntu CD (from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu) and boot from that. Ideally, you'd get version 6.06 LTS desktop edition, since that's what the EMC2 liveCD is based on. Burn that and boot from it, and see if that works. If not, check the Ubuntu forums, as was already suggested, for tips on your hardware. You can also try a newer distribution, such as 7.04. If 6.06 LTS and EMC2 don't boot, but 7.04 does, that helps us to decide when to change the distribution EMC2 is based on. Thank you, Chris Mason Thanks. Please keep trying to get this to work - we'd like to help, but don't know if it's our problem or Ubuntu's problem (or a hardware problem or a user error) yet :) - Steve - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
I have downloaded the software on two different cd's. Neither will boot the machine nor can I get the files to do anything in windows xp. Help!! cm - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Hello Chris, I assume you downloaded an .iso file? This file is an image of the CD that you want. Many times when you create a CD, the CD burning software just copies the file to the CD as a file. What is needed is for the CD burning software to be told to use the .iso to create the new (boot-able) CD from the information within the .iso file. If you look at a directory of your new disk and only see one .iso file, then you need to create another CD using the create CD from an image file feature of your CD burning software. This link might get you started: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BurnIsoImage Kirk Wallace ~~ On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 13:01 -0400, Chris Mason wrote: I have downloaded the software on two different cd’s. Neither will boot the machine nor can I get the files to do anything in windows xp. Help!! cm - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
