Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, When a control requests a speed from a motor it will send a signal to the drive ex 500 rpm. The drive wants to put out 500 rpm of current to the motor but it cannot because the motor is not turning. The drive knows this because the tach feedback is zero (the motor is not turning).

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Peter C. Wallace
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback Gentlemen, When a control requests a speed from a motor it will send a signal to the drive ex 500 rpm. The drive wants to put out 500 rpm of current to the motor but it cannot because the motor is not turning. The drive knows this because

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread dave
On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 07:05 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, snip Everyone says the drive/motor servo tuning is the best but if that is the case why is there tuning capability in LinuxCNC? Obviously, it is not good enough or no effort would be expended in making it better. I will

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, The ultimate goal is simplification. When I am tuning a servo system I am not tuning the motor as much as I am tuning the already tuned servo/motor system. This piles tuning upon tuning and seems more complicated than it needs to be. I am trying to dumb down the drive so the

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: I ask this because I want to remove the drive tuning from the system. Everyone says the drive/motor servo tuning is the best but if that is the case why is there tuning capability in LinuxCNC? Obviously, it is not good enough or no effort would be expended in making it

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Jon, Will your amps handle the motors on my Cinci? thanks Stuart On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Stuart Stevenson wrote: I ask this because I want to remove the drive tuning from the system. Everyone says the drive/motor servo tuning is the best

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:51:12AM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: I am trying to dumb down the drive so the LinuxCNC tuning is directly effecting the motor motion instead of manipulating the tuned servo system. My VMC uses velocity mode amps with tachs, and I had one tach that would

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Heh, I have been getting practice with the soldering iron removing parts BUT that is on a board with no intention of it ever working again. I am just harvesting plugs to use. I would be very afraid to try this on a board with any life left. :) On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Chris Radek

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Jon, Will your amps handle the motors on my Cinci I may get your machines confused, but I think the Cinci has Gettys motors and amps. The motors are 8 pole DC brush, and very low voltage and very high current. My understanding of the Gettys history is they used huge

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread Jon Elson
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: My VMC uses velocity mode amps with tachs, and I had one tach that would sometimes give a bumpy output that would cause a banging once per screw revolution. Maxon and Escap motors are made with exactly the

[Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-27 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, If I am wanting to remove the servo tuning from a velocity loop would I be able to jumper the +/- 10 volts to the tach feedback into the drive and to the speed request into the drive. Would this cause the drive to not respond? Would this cause the drive the immediately output the full

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-27 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/27/2013 10:43 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, If I am wanting to remove the servo tuning from a velocity loop would I be able to jumper the +/- 10 volts to the tach feedback into the drive and to the speed request into the drive. Would this cause the drive to not respond?

Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-27 Thread dave
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 22:43 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, If I am wanting to remove the servo tuning from a velocity loop would I be able to jumper the +/- 10 volts to the tach feedback into the drive and to the speed request into the drive. Would this cause the drive to not