Re: [Emc-users] How to find old Bosch drive manuals?

2016-01-23 Thread alex chiosso 
Hi Marius.
Do you have a picture of the drive and the whole electrical cabinet ?
The drive should be a Bosch Servodyn but as you noticed it's quite
difficult to find out any docs.
This mainly because the SPM coding for Bosch (Rexroth-Indramat) means a
generic usage for Spindle application.
Do you have any electrical drawings about the machine you're refering to ?
Is the spindle command (from the cnc) analog , digital (fieldbus) or what
else ?

Regards :-)

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Marius Alksnys 
wrote:

> I am looking to retrofit machine(s) with LinuxCNC which have spindle
> drive with writings on it:
> Bosch SPM 25-T/A
> 052313 - 109
> DC 520V 25A
>
> Can't find any docs for it.
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] How to find old Bosch drive manuals?

2016-01-23 Thread alex chiosso 
Marius if you will get the wiring schematic this will be sure a big help to
understand how to approach the retrofit in the right way.
The cabinet is in any case in a good shape and very well integrated from
the original manufacturer.
Check out as much as possible what there are as "options" on the machine
and the CNC functions as well.
The analog command to the drives maybe is 9V==max speed in order to get 1V
for the extra speed/position loop correction. You can check it out in some
way.
If there is a probe for the tool setting or for the piece setting check it
out witch type it is and how it is connected to the fast I/O system of the
actual CNC.
Have fun with this potential retrofit.



On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Marius Alksnys 
wrote:

> Alex, you found out more in less time and from part of the info I had :)
>
> I see there are external Heidenhain EXE, which can stay there, unless I
> would replace servo drives to something like stmbl. I haven't noticed
> linear scales yet, maybe next time I will look for them.
>
> I was assured I will get wiring schematic.
>
> I hope I will be able to throw out some of those I/O's. I know this will
> be a massive number of them to use anyway.
>
> Those on the bottom.. might be brake resistors, didn't check.
>
> It is in decision state now: to do or not to do a retrofit :)
>
> > Hi Marius.
> > What is good to see is that you have about the complete documentation
> > needed.
> > I do believe that if you will find the electrical cabinet wiring
> schematic
> > you should be able to do this massive job.
> > This machine is equipped with quite a big PLC with many I/O (so automatic
> > tool changer and many other auxiliary devices).
> > I see also the brake resistors for the axis and/or the spindle drive in
> the
> > bottom cabinet isn't it?
>
>
> > This type of CNC (that you will replace) should be a single channel
> (single
> > process) architecture so LCNC is a good candidate for the replacement.
> > Do you have linear scales to close the position loop on the linear axis?
> > If yes maybe are Heidenhein branded.
> > I see that the actual CNC have the servo card module with integrated EXE
> > that is suited for the linear scales. How do you solve this issue with
> LCNC?
> > Anyway you have a nice challenge to perform.
> > Please let us know your progress on this project. ;-)
> >
> > Regards
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] How to find old Bosch drive manuals?

2016-01-23 Thread alex chiosso 
Hi Marius.
What is good to see is that you have about the complete documentation
needed.
I do believe that if you will find the electrical cabinet wiring schematic
you should be able to do this massive job.
This machine is equipped with quite a big PLC with many I/O (so automatic
tool changer and many other auxiliary devices).
I see also the brake resistors for the axis and/or the spindle drive in the
bottom cabinet isn't it?
This type of CNC (that you will replace) should be a single channel (single
process) architecture so LCNC is a good candidate for the replacement.
Do you have linear scales to close the position loop on the linear axis?
If yes maybe are Heidenhein branded.
I see that the actual CNC have the servo card module with integrated EXE
that is suited for the linear scales. How do you solve this issue with LCNC?
Anyway you have a nice challenge to perform.
Please let us know your progress on this project. ;-)

Regards


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Marius Alksnys 
wrote:

>
>
> 01/23/2016 10:43 AM, alex chiosso rašė:
> > Hi Marius.
> > Do you have a picture of the drive and the whole electrical cabinet ?
> > The drive should be a Bosch Servodyn but as you noticed it's quite
> > difficult to find out any docs.
> > This mainly because the SPM coding for Bosch (Rexroth-Indramat) means a
> > generic usage for Spindle application.
> > Do you have any electrical drawings about the machine you're refering to
> ?
> > Is the spindle command (from the cnc) analog , digital (fieldbus) or what
> > else ?
> >
> > Regards :-)
>
> Hi, Alex :)
>
> Here are the photos and docs I found:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bx5r7yxJ8GWDYkpMMHh2VWR5M00=sharing
>
> I found manuals for servo drives, but not for spindle drive.
>
> I hope I will get electric schematics of the machine.
>
> Spindle drive is controlled by analog voltage.
>
> Kind regards!
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] How to find old Bosch drive manuals?

2016-01-23 Thread Marius Alksnys 
Alex, you found out more in less time and from part of the info I had :)

I see there are external Heidenhain EXE, which can stay there, unless I 
would replace servo drives to something like stmbl. I haven't noticed 
linear scales yet, maybe next time I will look for them.

I was assured I will get wiring schematic.

I hope I will be able to throw out some of those I/O's. I know this will 
be a massive number of them to use anyway.

Those on the bottom.. might be brake resistors, didn't check.

It is in decision state now: to do or not to do a retrofit :)

> Hi Marius.
> What is good to see is that you have about the complete documentation
> needed.
> I do believe that if you will find the electrical cabinet wiring schematic
> you should be able to do this massive job.
> This machine is equipped with quite a big PLC with many I/O (so automatic
> tool changer and many other auxiliary devices).
> I see also the brake resistors for the axis and/or the spindle drive in the
> bottom cabinet isn't it?


> This type of CNC (that you will replace) should be a single channel (single
> process) architecture so LCNC is a good candidate for the replacement.
> Do you have linear scales to close the position loop on the linear axis?
> If yes maybe are Heidenhein branded.
> I see that the actual CNC have the servo card module with integrated EXE
> that is suited for the linear scales. How do you solve this issue with LCNC?
> Anyway you have a nice challenge to perform.
> Please let us know your progress on this project. ;-)
>
> Regards


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Re: [Emc-users] How to find old Bosch drive manuals?

2016-01-23 Thread Marius Alksnys 


01/23/2016 10:43 AM, alex chiosso rašė:
> Hi Marius.
> Do you have a picture of the drive and the whole electrical cabinet ?
> The drive should be a Bosch Servodyn but as you noticed it's quite
> difficult to find out any docs.
> This mainly because the SPM coding for Bosch (Rexroth-Indramat) means a
> generic usage for Spindle application.
> Do you have any electrical drawings about the machine you're refering to ?
> Is the spindle command (from the cnc) analog , digital (fieldbus) or what
> else ?
>
> Regards :-)

Hi, Alex :)

Here are the photos and docs I found:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bx5r7yxJ8GWDYkpMMHh2VWR5M00=sharing

I found manuals for servo drives, but not for spindle drive.

I hope I will get electric schematics of the machine.

Spindle drive is controlled by analog voltage.

Kind regards!


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