Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread adam
I think you are making some huge assumptions about the economics of book production. First - the vast majority of authors under the current dominant model of publishing *dont* make any money. Authors do it for the chance to make money, and they do it for the profile. So there is no monster

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Simon Biggs
Hi Tiziana Thanks for your thoughtful post, responding to Dmytri's and Adam's provocative texts. Interesting you ask whether the internet will have an impact on the current crisis in the world economy? Perhaps the internet is part of the reason for the crisis? The world is going through a

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/01/12 14:55, Simon Biggs wrote: One of the first things that strikes me as particular about open source authoring and publishing systems, in relation to the attention economy, is that OS authorship is effectively a model of co-creation, engaging users as producers. If we compare open

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Adam Parker
Hi all I don't post here at all (I mostly lurk), so I apologise for my silence and hope that the community finds this valuable. In one of the specialisations offered at the campus I coordinate, namely games, there is a serious set of questions beginning to develop around precisely the

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Tiziana, Simon and the others. First of all thanks for having me here. This conversation touches of a few of the central premises of my work, I'll avoid discussing topics like the production of subjectivity, etc, as I'm out of my depth on the more humanistic/philosophical dimensions of

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread xDxD.vs.xDxD
Hello again, Adam was saying: It seems to me that there are some wonderful opportunities to transform the texture of books even within a linear container because of open production models enabled by the web. Yet there are many, academics being near the top of the list, that shoot down the

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread jmp
On 12/01/12 15:04, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: I'll start with the later. The well known success of Free Software has created a kind of delusion among cultural producers, which has lead to the phenomena often referred to as Free Culture. Yet, software and culture, for the most part, are at

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread xDxD.vs.xDxD
Hello everyone, Dmytri was saying: Is Free Culture content to be a beleaguered, insular, fringe? Or is Free Culture meant to be a critique of our curent cultural industries? Does it aim only for it's own meagre existence? Or does it aim for the transformation of cultural production? If the

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread jmp
On 12/01/12 16:02, Simon Biggs wrote: I'm an academic and an artist and totally champion the open book. Knowledge is made best when it is made shared. Knowledge, as language, is always shared, always public and can never be private, but it can be conjured up in a private setting by an

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 12.01.2012 21:58, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/01/12 15:04, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: Second, culture work is a form of production, and as such, it must, at minimum, provide the subsistence of their culture workers. As capital will not finance open works, how are the creators of such works to

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 13.01.2012 14:48, adam wrote: Regardless, the opportunity is to take this moment and these opportunities and make it work for us on scale. 2012 more than any other year opens up publishing and if we miss this window we can only blame ourselves. If we wait for the moment capitalism is

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 13.01.2012 14:47, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: The fact remains that capital is for the most part a consumer of software, and a producer of capital. This is meant to say producer of culture. That's it for me today. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner http://www.trick.ca

Re: [-empyre-] OSW: open source writing in the network

2012-01-13 Thread xDxD.vs.xDxD
Hello everyone Adam was saying: Considering these issues, I am finding that game design should be looking through interaction design lenses now, as a means for cracking the problem apart - we need to become more ethnographic, more anthropological, more collaborative, more iterative in our