Re: [-empyre-] Notes and a comment

2014-11-26 Thread William Bain
--empyre- soft-skinned space--So much has been said here in what's been posted overthe last day and a 
half—incredibly intelligent posts—that I wonder if I can addanything of 
importance. Police brutality all over the world has concerned mefor a long 
time. I think of the concept of the hegemon and the abuses of elitepower groups 
time and again in different histories—Napoleonic France,  colonial Britainn 
America, colonial Spain in America,U.S. abuses, most recentlyin Ferguson. 
Oursymbolic treatment of these things here is important to me because I feel 
thatit can make some difference—large, small—a difference somewhere. I think 
againof context and what occurs to me is to mention that same essay I mentioned 
theother day, Walter Benjamin’s “The destructive character.” It’s 
availableonline, easy to find, two pages of symbolic action to the extent that 
text isaction. I wish I had more right now but I don’t. So just thanks. William
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[-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Ana Valdés
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I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
researchers with several degrees of clearing.
Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
so revulsive and must be kept secret.
The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
only a few years ago.
Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as slaves are
for me more horrific than the beheadings.
Ana

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Re: [-empyre-] creative powerlessness/ creative power theatre of the oppressed

2014-11-26 Thread Johannes Birringer
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thank you Aristita for expanding on your first post, 
and illuminating the election process in Romania and the voting in of a new 
president who seemed not to have a chance to be elected.  Your evocation of the
collective will or action, and the post-Soviet/communist era de-traumatizing 
process, was vivid and encouraging, and it was so also (in response) following 
some
of the discussions on nihilism (Alan) and powerlessness, and what Murat 
yesterday called 

My own work carries failure in its heart, it helps some people (I hope)  
cope with the world - we all hope for that - it has no effect on the 
systemic, however[Alan]
In this sentence by Alan, I think,  the most succinct crystalization of power 
in powerlessness is expressed. In the objective sense of political action, 
political change, art (Alan's or others) may be useless. But in hope -created 
out of hope and projected in hope- *creating* a conversation between soul and 
soul, art is all powerful. 

I urge us all to discuss this further  

- I had invited critical feedback to Monika's and Ana's visions of collective 
lament and protestation (visual choreographies of public space-pollution)

- I would ask Sonja to tell us more about her work on cities, public space, and 
memory from her perspective

- And we should look at Aristita's suggestions regarding the power of theatre 
(Boal's theatre of the oppressed)
  which Polish critic Michal Kobialka, whom I mentioned last week when I 
refered to Hamed Taheri's Home is in Our Past, has subjected to critique, 
proposing that Pisactor, Brecht, Boal, etc are all outdated models that have 
outlived their 
  promise to give us a praxis to challenge existing politica regimes.   I 
wonder what Rustom and Olga would say to this, and others out there working in 
performance and new media?

- Simon's response to Alan included a reference to his Minus Theatre –– and 
their using the different languages of individuals from different cultures –- 
 thus also to accents (as we debated them also in the second  third week) -- 
can we please discuss Simon's very thought-provoking comments on Eastern 
philosophy  (I tried the same on Monday by moving against Heidegger and evoking 
Kuki Shūzō) and on nihilism? 

Now, from the little I understand of the point of view which makes violence 
particular to a place and the point of view which makes violence a 
singularity in any place whatsoever, I would agree that these positions seem 
irreconcilable, and yet... this is not the irreconcilability of violent acts, 
or terrorism /tout court/, but of a singularity with a particularity. 
[Simon]


thank you,
Johannes Birringer


[Alan schreibt]

Nihilism isn't a course of action, and it doesn't mean giving up; instead
it references taking a stance, most likely useless, just to assert that
one is human, that anguish is still possible. My own work carries failure
in its heart, it helps some people (I hope) cope with the world - we all
hope for that - it has no effect on the systemic, however... On the other
hand, one may well change the attitudes of the police - through education,
community learning, dialog, and this is (I think) happening in some
places. (I'd appreciate any bibliography you might be able to supply on
nihilism and its potential.)

But ISIS - or other groups believing in absolute inerrancy, absolute
power, absolute truth, absolute annihilation - what is to be done? How to
reach them? Is anything possible?



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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Ana, maybe it is because sexual images are easier to censure. The
authorities create a code, as in the movies. Though they may occur as
often, if not more, one should not forget *scenes* of violence are not
shown in the United States, such as executions that occur every day by
means of *forbidden to be named* drugs. Though everybody else saw it, we in
the United States were not shown images of people jumping off the Twin
Towers on September 11. As a revolutionary medium (either for the good,
freedom, or the bad, control) the internet crosses national lines and
weakens the enforcement of those codes. The powerless may actively search
those sights, access to information. Is that not a way of gain power
through powerlessness?

What I am struggling with is the ambiguous nature of the concept of
violence. It can be physical or social (beheadings, tortures,
enslavements), mostly what we are discussing here. But violence can be on
the level of ideas, something that does damage to our prejudices, jams our
natural flow of thought (that is partly what Artaud, Bataille are referring
to, a symbolic violence).

Ana, to me the most intriguing part of your post is Voltaire being places
in the cubicle of hell after two hundred and fifty years in a country
where, I assume, one can find Sade's writings in public book stalls. What
is that virulent, violent idea by Voltaire that has lot lost its potency
after so many years, at least in one country that still believes in the
power of ideas. That discovery would be the elixir of of benevolent
violence (a contra-violence), power thtough powerlessness that we are
looking for. Ciao.
Murat



On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés agora...@gmail.com wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
 I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
 wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
 Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
 I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
 about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
 a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
 the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
 where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
 hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
 researchers with several degrees of clearing.
 Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
 is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
 so revulsive and must be kept secret.
 The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
 showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
 only a few years ago.
 Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
 and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
 by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
 and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
 Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as slaves are
 for me more horrific than the beheadings.
 Ana

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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Ana Valdés
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/arts/design/16eros.html?_r=2oref=slogin;

http://www.expatica.com/fr/out-and-about/arts-culture/Adults-only-as-Frances-National-Library-allows-peep-at-sex-hell_100043.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sex-please-were-french-pariss-dirty-secret-761348.html

And Voltaire's long erotic and politcal poem about Jean d'Arc is also
there, La Pucele d'Orleans.

Ana


On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote:
 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
 Ana, maybe it is because sexual images are easier to censure. The authorities 
 create a code, as in the movies. Though they may occur as often, if not more, 
 one should not forget scenes of violence are not shown in the United States, 
 such as executions that occur every day by means of forbidden to be named 
 drugs. Though everybody else saw it, we in the United States were not shown 
 images of people jumping off the Twin Towers on September 11. As a 
 revolutionary medium (either for the good, freedom, or the bad, control) the 
 internet crosses national lines and weakens the enforcement of those codes. 
 The powerless may actively search those sights, access to information. Is 
 that not a way of gain power through powerlessness?

 What I am struggling with is the ambiguous nature of the concept of violence. 
 It can be physical or social (beheadings, tortures, enslavements), mostly 
 what we are discussing here. But violence can be on the level of ideas, 
 something that does damage to our prejudices, jams our natural flow of 
 thought (that is partly what Artaud, Bataille are referring to, a symbolic 
 violence).

 Ana, to me the most intriguing part of your post is Voltaire being places in 
 the cubicle of hell after two hundred and fifty years in a country where, I 
 assume, one can find Sade's writings in public book stalls. What is that 
 virulent, violent idea by Voltaire that has lot lost its potency after so 
 many years, at least in one country that still believes in the power of 
 ideas. That discovery would be the elixir of of benevolent violence (a 
 contra-violence), power thtough powerlessness that we are looking for. Ciao.
 Murat



 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés agora...@gmail.com wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
 I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
 wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
 Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
 I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
 about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
 a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
 the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
 where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
 hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
 researchers with several degrees of clearing.
 Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
 is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
 so revulsive and must be kept secret.
 The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
 showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
 only a few years ago.
 Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
 and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
 by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
 and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
 Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as slaves are
 for me more horrific than the beheadings.
 Ana

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Re: [-empyre-] gender war, mythic violence

2014-11-26 Thread Johannes Birringer
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well, the discussion never went off track, as far as I am concerned.

and the more combustuous dialogues we had yesterday, around Alan's comments on 
violence, racial conflict, etc in Ferguson, Missouri, were most welcome, as we 
can perhaps look more intensely at the repercussions
of the within/without non-issue. The violence of war is within-without;and 
Alan, I venture to say, you were recruited the last few days by the cameras 
and technological instruments of war (as I pointed out in my paraphrase of 
Judith Butler yesterday), you were 'constituted' by them.   

But did we not overlook something important, in grappling with war, physical 
violence, symbolic violence  (I agree much with Murat's last post here) and 
ISIS, namely what Sonja Leboš yesterday called gender war:

Coming from Croatia, Balkan, I have a close experience of war. Not like US 
citizens, the experience of mediation of the terror via CNN or the body of 
one's son being sent in the body bag. I saw it in my own backyard. And have one 
conclusion on the war on Balkan: it was largely a gender war.


Can we explore, then, what that means, and what the means (space) of alteration 
would be? Spatial Justice? Aristita made a start, following Monika. And 
Ana, just today, went into the same direction asking why the sexual, the 
erotic, is considered more revulsive and in greater need for censorship than 
violence. How do we understand this?

And (remembering what Andreas, Simon, Reinhold, Christina and others have said 
about the maintenance of Law),  I'd like to pursue further my own memory of 
The Market from Here, as a theatre of anthropology / sacred sociology, 
juxtaposed to my current useless experiments with dance holography – the 
HOLOSTAGE.  I had some very bad dreams (not having watched any news, not 
recruited in that sense) last night, following my readings of some of the posts 
here, and thinking about trance, missing and mutilated, bodies, the soldiers 
and police as ghosts, shamans of the blind country, finding their beach (as 
Taussig would say), between earth and water.


respectfully
Johannes Birringer

ps. thanks William, for your insistence on The Destructive Character .
cf. 
http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.de/2014/05/walter-benjamin-destructive-character.html


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Re: [-empyre-] gender war, mythic violence

2014-11-26 Thread Alan Sondheim

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On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Johannes Birringer wrote:


--empyre- soft-skinned space--


of the within/without non-issue. The violence of war is within-without; 
and Alan, I venture to say, you were recruited the last few days by 
the cameras and technological instruments of war (as I pointed out in my 
paraphrase of Judith Butler yesterday), you were 'constituted' by them.




Hi Johannes,

To respond to this, perhaps a misrecognition that is difficult to explain 
- it's not the 24 hours a day cameras-on-Ferguson (which you mentioned to 
me personally); it's the deterioration of life here and the increasing 
violence in this city (Providence, RI), coupled with the erosion of civil 
liberties across the United States. Ferguson was a flash-point, but was 
not the recruitment; the recruitment was, for me at least, literally 
signing up with a number of conservation organizations, then watching 
legislation fall apart, animal and plant extinctions rising horrendously. 
Ferguson was all too familiar, and it resonated with the slow burn, the 
slow war against Blacks and Latinos and otheres in this country, that's 
all. We're not in New York, where one can pretend to a certain immunity of 
affect/effect; Providence is not the same sort of liberal bubble, in spite 
of Roger Williams' legacy. And what we see here are shootings, knivings, 
arson, as a daily occurrence; the homeless increasing and increasingly 
desperate; graft at all levels; and the state plundering itself from 
decrepit and unreachable power, in spite of the fact that almost all the 
offices are held by Democrats. Providence is the ninth-most economically 
(read racially as well) divided city in the country - the rest, except for 
one in Ohio, are all in the south. So when you mention contituted by 
them - not only this isn't true, but it's a misreading perhaps of the 
U.S. itself; would you say that Romania is constituted by the media? That 
pain and intractable poverty elsewhere are? The U.S. is no different in 
this regard; large parts of it, Rhode Island included (with the second 
worst employment record in the country) is closer to the mythic and 
stereotyped third world country, than it is to the dream of a mythic 
U.S. from so long ago. That's what creates a sense of despair, derailing 
here, for so many (lots of people leave; this is the state with the 
highest percentage of people in the country trying to get out), and what 
was so perturbing about Ferguson, is that, like Occupy (as people have 
pointed out), there's no real clout in the protests, no political action.
I keep thinking how far this is from the brutality elsewhere, but then I 
remember being violently kicked a year and a half ago in NY (ironically on 
the way to the doctor's), calling the police - we had witnesses, license 
plates, etc. - and the police told me if I tried to prosecute, to have the 
perpetrator arrested, I might be arrested myself for disturbing the peace. 
Later it came out that the NYC police were ordered to ignore most crimes 
of this sort, unless killing or hospitalization was required - the cops 
were trying to keep the stats down. So there you are, and the NYC cops are 
behaving as badly as ever, under the new mayor, and this country, for all 
its military power and swashbuckling and back-room international deals, 
operates on the principle of endocolonization, keeping the uppity poor and 
disenfranchised under control, making a massacre of the medial system for 
them, so they'll quietly die away. _That's_ what has recruited me, not 
CNN. -


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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--I do not know the work. Is it its politics that is keeping it in enfer or
the eroticism?


On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Ana Valdés agora...@gmail.com wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/arts/design/16eros.html?_r=2oref=slogin;


 http://www.expatica.com/fr/out-and-about/arts-culture/Adults-only-as-Frances-National-Library-allows-peep-at-sex-hell_100043.html


 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sex-please-were-french-pariss-dirty-secret-761348.html

 And Voltaire's long erotic and politcal poem about Jean d'Arc is also
 there, La Pucele d'Orleans.

 Ana


 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  --empyre- soft-skinned space--
  Ana, maybe it is because sexual images are easier to censure. The
 authorities create a code, as in the movies. Though they may occur as
 often, if not more, one should not forget scenes of violence are not shown
 in the United States, such as executions that occur every day by means of
 forbidden to be named drugs. Though everybody else saw it, we in the United
 States were not shown images of people jumping off the Twin Towers on
 September 11. As a revolutionary medium (either for the good, freedom, or
 the bad, control) the internet crosses national lines and weakens the
 enforcement of those codes. The powerless may actively search those
 sights, access to information. Is that not a way of gain power through
 powerlessness?
 
  What I am struggling with is the ambiguous nature of the concept of
 violence. It can be physical or social (beheadings, tortures,
 enslavements), mostly what we are discussing here. But violence can be on
 the level of ideas, something that does damage to our prejudices, jams our
 natural flow of thought (that is partly what Artaud, Bataille are referring
 to, a symbolic violence).
 
  Ana, to me the most intriguing part of your post is Voltaire being
 places in the cubicle of hell after two hundred and fifty years in a
 country where, I assume, one can find Sade's writings in public book
 stalls. What is that virulent, violent idea by Voltaire that has lot lost
 its potency after so many years, at least in one country that still
 believes in the power of ideas. That discovery would be the elixir of of
 benevolent violence (a contra-violence), power thtough powerlessness that
 we are looking for. Ciao.
  Murat
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés agora...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  --empyre- soft-skinned space--
  I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
  wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
  Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
  I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
  about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
  a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
  the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
  where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
  hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
  researchers with several degrees of clearing.
  Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
  is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
  so revulsive and must be kept secret.
  The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
  showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
  only a few years ago.
  Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
  and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
  by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
  and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
  Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as slaves are
  for me more horrific than the beheadings.
  Ana
 
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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Christina Spiesel
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Thank you Ana for the links to the French exhibition! Ana raised many 
issues and this is only a partly, and personal, reply. There is a point 
where grown men beheaded and little girls sexually exploited meet in the 
common theme of the exertion of absolute power over the bodies of 
others. These are demonstrations of what the group can do/get away with. 
And it is terrorism,  meant to create fear and compliance in others.  I 
think this is distinct from the far more common theme of the maintenance 
of patriarchal social power through control of sexual information. A 
very influential book for me is Walter Kendrick's /The Secret Museum, 
Pornography in Modern Culture///(1987)/. /He makes many arguments//but 
the most compelling for me is that erotic materials actually convey 
sexual information and that protected classes -- women and youths, poor 
men -- are kept in subjugation by denial of sexual information. (We can 
see the latest iteration of this in the United States where some people 
are trying to put the genie back in the bottle by trying to repress 
birth control, sexual education, abortion rights, etc.) Traditionally, 
young warriors (and athletes before competition) are taught that their 
prowess will be diminished if they have sex before battle. It is not 
hard to imagine that having sex would reaffirm life's pleasures and make 
one less inclined to risk life and limb in warfare. Upper classes have 
always had access to materials forbidden to the rest of us -- hence the 
Enfer sections of  libraries that have become the repositories of 
materials once held in private collections. L'origine du Monde was 
painted for Khalil Bey, Ottoman diplomat, who had a collection of 
erotica.  Reportedly he kept it behind a curtain which would be pulled 
back to show particular guests -- performance as display. Circling back, 
I do wonder what particular cultural arrangements has produced ISIS. 
Yes, of course, official propaganda might talk about rejection of 
western colonialism, etc.  but what of the psychological factors local 
tpo that culture?  And somewhere in this discussion we might ask about 
DeSade who would probably assert that we are dealing with the human 
condition. And one more circling back -- Alan is writing about what 
happens to humans when their culture is going off the rails. In the case 
of the United States, much of our culture arose from the existence of a 
middle class, now under extreme threat.



CS




On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés wrote:

--empyre- soft-skinned space--
I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
researchers with several degrees of clearing.
Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
so revulsive and must be kept secret.
The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
only a few years ago.
Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as slaves are
for me more horrific than the beheadings.
Ana



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Re: [-empyre-] nothing gives - mathematical reality of biopolitical implants

2014-11-26 Thread simon
--empyre- soft-skinned space--
On 27/11/14 09:15, Alan Sondheim wrote:
this country, for all its military power and swashbuckling and 
back-room international deals, operates on the principle of 
endocolonization


two areas of IBM expenditure last year interested me: the internet of 
things (of course they don't call it this, the actual nomenclature is 
closer to 'control society' for reversing it as Smart) and Big Data. The 
first category deals with the widening spread of networked sensor and 
surveillance technics across cities and fields, inserted into urban 
traffic flows and agribusiness (and actual bodies, of course - to keep 
it visceral). This data gathering is for the sake of governing complex 
systems; for example, water supply in African countries, ensuring 
greater supply where there is greater need; the traffic system in London 
uses an IBM system to promote efficient transit, steer flows around 
obstacles, minimise bottlenecks, distribute peak time across the wider 
network - controlling the signs which in turn control the people. Potato 
farmers in Idaho use field sensors to communicate their crops. They tell 
them when and where fertiliser is needed, pest control, watering. The 
Idaho data is compiled and 'analysed', processed by a group in 
Canterbury, New Zealand.


Then there is the shibboleth of Big Data. A goldmine for consultants, 
who, like oracles (shaman) claim to be able to parse an iota of sense 
from it. Data is in fact not analysed - for detail or to its genesis - 
but is the object of recursive and reticulating operations of 
organisation through statistical relationality, following a 
non-intensive or powerless line of (re)searching for the difference of 
the same. This statistical same - of these identical organs that are 
brought to emergence - subjects the erstwhile subjects of states to the 
governance of a mathematical reality, an abstraction layer isolating 
power from the points at which it is inflicted.


'endocolonisation' recalls the sometimes cited axiom whereby capitalist 
states having exhausted their violent energy-resource grab, and having 
extended the borders of capitalism, its reach and their reach, globally, 
now turn their violence on their own populations, particularly the 
middle classes, which history contrived to construct as sacrifice. This 
process has been called neoliberalism. I know it from the example of 
Chile and then New Zealand, from 1984, a propitious date. And like the 
previous colonial period of empire, and the golden Keynesian post-war 
rise of middle class values - education, art, humanities - that followed 
for a handful of nations, this present colonisation is dirty, malevolent 
and violent. And as Ana has indicated it is misogynist. It is misogynist 
before it is misanthropic.


Best,
Simon


PS: On 26/11/14 20:02, Alan Sondheim wrote:



thank you for this - is are there any particular references? would be 
useful - alan

Heisig, James W. /Philosophers of Nothingness: An Essay on the Kyoto School/

but, respectfully, this was nothing compared to travelling in Japan.


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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Christina, much of our American culture also arose from the cultural
extermination of the American Indians (which luckily did not occur with the
black culture) rather than integrating that culture into the American
mainstream, an integration which I think occurred in a country like Brazil.
This extermination occurred in the 19th century simultaneously, if De
Tocqueville is to be believed, when the seeds of a vibrant middle class was
being sown.

I want to be clear the integration I am referring to occurs independently
from the suppression of one group of another. Historically, the defeated
have often left big imprints over the triumphant. The only cultural echo I
see of the American Indian in the United States is in place names so many
of which derive from American Indian language. I refer to one of them
Oklahoma (as in Kafka's Theatre of Oklahoma) in my essay Questions of
Accent.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Christina Spiesel 
christina.spie...@yale.edu wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
  Thank you Ana for the links to the French exhibition! Ana raised many
 issues and this is only a partly, and personal, reply. There is a point
 where grown men beheaded and little girls sexually exploited meet in the
 common theme of the exertion of absolute power over the bodies of others.
 These are demonstrations of what the group can do/get away with. And it is
 terrorism,  meant to create fear and compliance in others.  I think this is
 distinct from the far more common theme of the maintenance of patriarchal
 social power through control of sexual information. A very influential book
 for me is Walter Kendrick's *The Secret Museum, Pornography in Modern
 Culture* (1987)*. *He makes many arguments but the most compelling for me
 is that erotic materials actually convey sexual information and that
 protected classes -- women and youths, poor men -- are kept in subjugation
 by denial of sexual information.  (We can see the latest iteration of this
 in the United States where some people are trying to put the genie back in
 the bottle  by trying to repress birth control, sexual education, abortion
 rights, etc.) Traditionally, young warriors (and athletes before
 competition) are taught that their prowess will be diminished if they have
 sex before battle. It is not hard to imagine that having sex would reaffirm
 life's pleasures and make one less inclined to risk life and limb in
 warfare. Upper classes have always had access to materials forbidden to the
 rest of us -- hence the Enfer sections of  libraries that have become the
 repositories of materials once held in private collections. L'origine du
 Monde was painted for Khalil Bey, Ottoman diplomat, who had a collection
 of erotica.  Reportedly he kept it behind a curtain which would be pulled
 back to show particular guests -- performance as display. Circling back, I
 do wonder what  particular cultural arrangements has produced ISIS. Yes, of
 course, official propaganda might talk about rejection of western
 colonialism, etc.  but what of the psychological factors local tpo that
 culture?  And somewhere in this discussion we might ask about DeSade who
 would probably assert that we are dealing with the human condition. And one
 more circling back -- Alan is writing about what happens to humans when
 their culture is going off the rails. In the case of the United States,
 much of our culture arose from the existence of a middle class, now under
 extreme threat.


 CS




 On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
 I was trying to find a red line in our discussion, reading what others
 wrote, Aneta, Monika, Murat, Alan, Johannes, Christina, Aristita,
 Andreas, Simon, Rustom, Alicia, Leandro, others...
 I go always back to Modernity. Yesterday we discussed with Alicia
 about Bataille and all the French writers and painters using erotic as
 a kind of rebellion against the power, again the etablished norms. In
 the French National Library there is a place called Enfer (Hell)
 where erotic texts written by Voltaire, Diderot and many other are
 hidden from public view. They can only be consulted and peroused by
 researchers with several degrees of clearing.
 Why are these texts so revulsive today? In a society where pornography
 is an industry with millions of people employed these texts are still
 so revulsive and must be kept secret.
 The same with the paintings. Gustave Courbet L'Origine du Monde,
 showing the vulva of a woman, was censored by Facebook several times
 only a few years ago.
 Bear with me, I am trying to find paralleles here between beheadings
 and naked women. The beheadings are shown in You Tube and can be seen
 by anyone with a screen nearby, the real erotic seems more powerful
 and more dissident and must be kept from the public.
 Isis marriages with small girls and the selling of women as 

Re: [-empyre-] nothing gives - mathematical reality of biopolitical implants

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Simon, how internet businesses (from Facebook to younameit) are monetized
give the underlying malevolent dynamic in the web. The populace is given
candy, a product for them to enjoy, whereas themselves (their psyche)
are the product sold (in a sense, that is a kind of slavery), as you
describe, for an elusive, impersonal statistical construct. All of us, to
the degree that we use a smart phone, are caught in it. It is the incipient
violence (like the climate change) in the air.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:27 PM, simon s...@clear.net.nz wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
  On 27/11/14 09:15, Alan Sondheim wrote:

 this country, for all its military power and swashbuckling and back-room
 international deals, operates on the principle of endocolonization


 two areas of IBM expenditure last year interested me: the internet of
 things (of course they don't call it this, the actual nomenclature is
 closer to 'control society' for reversing it as Smart) and Big Data. The
 first category deals with the widening spread of networked sensor and
 surveillance technics across cities and fields, inserted into urban traffic
 flows and agribusiness (and actual bodies, of course - to keep it
 visceral). This data gathering is for the sake of governing complex
 systems; for example, water supply in African countries, ensuring greater
 supply where there is greater need; the traffic system in London uses an
 IBM system to promote efficient transit, steer flows around obstacles,
 minimise bottlenecks, distribute peak time across the wider network -
 controlling the signs which in turn control the people. Potato farmers in
 Idaho use field sensors to communicate their crops. They tell them when and
 where fertiliser is needed, pest control, watering. The Idaho data is
 compiled and 'analysed', processed by a group in Canterbury, New Zealand.

 Then there is the shibboleth of Big Data. A goldmine for consultants, who,
 like oracles (shaman) claim to be able to parse an iota of sense from it.
 Data is in fact not analysed - for detail or to its genesis - but is the
 object of recursive and reticulating operations of organisation through
 statistical relationality, following a non-intensive or powerless line of
 (re)searching for the difference of the same. This statistical same - of
 these identical organs that are brought to emergence - subjects the
 erstwhile subjects of states to the governance of a mathematical reality,
 an abstraction layer isolating power from the points at which it is
 inflicted.

 'endocolonisation' recalls the sometimes cited axiom whereby capitalist
 states having exhausted their violent energy-resource grab, and having
 extended the borders of capitalism, its reach and their reach, globally,
 now turn their violence on their own populations, particularly the middle
 classes, which history contrived to construct as sacrifice. This process
 has been called neoliberalism. I know it from the example of Chile and then
 New Zealand, from 1984, a propitious date. And like the previous colonial
 period of empire, and the golden Keynesian post-war rise of middle class
 values - education, art, humanities - that followed for a handful of
 nations, this present colonisation is dirty, malevolent and violent. And as
 Ana has indicated it is misogynist. It is misogynist before it is
 misanthropic.

 Best,
 Simon


 PS: On 26/11/14 20:02, Alan Sondheim wrote:



 thank you for this - is are there any particular references? would be
 useful - alan

 Heisig, James W. *Philosophers of Nothingness: An Essay on the Kyoto
 School*

 but, respectfully, this was nothing compared to travelling in Japan.



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Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--... Christina, much of our American culture also arose from the cultural
extermination of the American Indians (which luckily did not occur with the
black culture) rather than integrating that culture into the American
mainstream...

Reading my previous post, I realize that a section of it may be read in a
different way than how I intended. I do not mean that Native Indian culture
has been exterminated. It has remained alive through ceremonies, social
gatherings like powwows all over the country. I was referring to the
integration of the beliefs, ceremonies into the middle class, midstream
culture.

Alan has pointed out to me the Native Indian culture has been thriving in
the last fifty years. And perhaps the penetration of the sensibility has
been deeper than I think. It made me think of films, the medium I am most
intimate with, like Jarmousch's Dead Man and The Way of the Samurai, Powwow
Highway, Smoke Signals in all of which the actor Gary Farmer, besides his
part, embodies an iconic spiritual presence or Thunderheart where Val
Kilmer, an FBI agent, has to face his own Native Indian identity as a
dreamer of visions. The list goes on...  Recently I discovered to my utter
surprise that Myrna Loy, the very essence of urban sophistication, had
Native Indian roots.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Christina, much of our American culture also arose from the cultural
 extermination of the American Indians (which luckily did not occur with the
 black culture) rather than integrating that culture into the American
 mainstream, an integration which I think occurred in a country like Brazil.
 This extermination occurred in the 19th century simultaneously, if De
 Tocqueville is to be believed, when the seeds of a vibrant middle class was
 being sown.

 I want to be clear the integration I am referring to occurs independently
 from the suppression of one group of another. Historically, the defeated
 have often left big imprints over the triumphant. The only cultural echo I
 see of the American Indian in the United States is in place names so many
 of which derive from American Indian language. I refer to one of them
 Oklahoma (as in Kafka's Theatre of Oklahoma) in my essay Questions of
 Accent.

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Christina Spiesel 
 christina.spie...@yale.edu wrote:

 --empyre- soft-skinned space--
  Thank you Ana for the links to the French exhibition! Ana raised many
 issues and this is only a partly, and personal, reply. There is a point
 where grown men beheaded and little girls sexually exploited meet in the
 common theme of the exertion of absolute power over the bodies of others.
 These are demonstrations of what the group can do/get away with. And it is
 terrorism,  meant to create fear and compliance in others.  I think this is
 distinct from the far more common theme of the maintenance of patriarchal
 social power through control of sexual information. A very influential book
 for me is Walter Kendrick's *The Secret Museum, Pornography in Modern
 Culture* (1987)*. *He makes many arguments but the most compelling for
 me is that erotic materials actually convey sexual information and that
 protected classes -- women and youths, poor men -- are kept in subjugation
 by denial of sexual information.  (We can see the latest iteration of this
 in the United States where some people are trying to put the genie back in
 the bottle  by trying to repress birth control, sexual education, abortion
 rights, etc.) Traditionally, young warriors (and athletes before
 competition) are taught that their prowess will be diminished if they have
 sex before battle. It is not hard to imagine that having sex would reaffirm
 life's pleasures and make one less inclined to risk life and limb in
 warfare. Upper classes have always had access to materials forbidden to the
 rest of us -- hence the Enfer sections of  libraries that have become the
 repositories of materials once held in private collections. L'origine du
 Monde was painted for Khalil Bey, Ottoman diplomat, who had a collection
 of erotica.  Reportedly he kept it behind a curtain which would be pulled
 back to show particular guests -- performance as display. Circling back, I
 do wonder what  particular cultural arrangements has produced ISIS. Yes, of
 course, official propaganda might talk about rejection of western
 colonialism, etc.  but what of the psychological factors local tpo that
 culture?  And somewhere in this discussion we might ask about DeSade who
 would probably assert that we are dealing with the human condition. And one
 more circling back -- Alan is writing about what happens to humans when
 their culture is going off the rails. In the case of the United States,
 much of our culture arose from the existence of a middle class, now under
 extreme threat.


 CS





 On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Ana Valdés wrote: