Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread simon
Dear empyreans, Thank you for the discussion. I have been in enjoying its queer turns and scaling effects, stretching out on the multiple planes of ontology, shrinking down to the nano. Drink this. Eat this. I can't get off this chair! I would like to add this text for its pertinence, less

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Ian Bogost
On Jun 26, 2012, at 3:01 AM, Simon Biggs wrote: But Kosuth's chair engaged the simulacra - it addressed conventional notions of the real as not sustainable. Kosuth's chair is an equivocal chair, a fuzzy chair, all types of chair - and never a chair. It's a conundrum, and that was the

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Timothy Morton
Hi---each entity (a thought, an amethyst geode, a bartender) emits spacetime just as Einstein argued . Graham's The Quadruple Object and my not yet out Realist Magic go into this. Each entity times in the way Heidegger reserves for Da-sein and Derrida reserves to the trace. Time and space

[-empyre-] More on Bio/Nano Materialisms and Anti-techno-formalism

2012-06-27 Thread micha cárdenas
Thank you Ricardo, Elle and Heather for the introductions to your work. I'm very interested in developing this conversation more to try to consider the intersections of queer and bio/nano/materialisms. Do you think of your engagements with new media as queer? How so? Also, do you think of your

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman / Kosuth

2012-06-27 Thread Jon Ippolito
Hi Simon, As I'm sure you know, Kosuth's essay Art After Philosophy seemed to imply a platonic solution to that conundrum. His essay claims what's important about chairs (and art) is the unique idea conveyed to us by their varying manifestations, whether dictionary definition, photo, or wooden

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Simon Biggs
Hi Ian Maybe I'm a little old, but 10 to 15 years seems, in terms of human thought, extremely recent. I have read some OOO texts though, during that short period of time. I've also had a little time to digest Kosuth's work, since it was made forty odd years ago. In retrospect his chairs might

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread davin heckman
I have an article that I wrote about a year ago which discusses black boxes, poetics, and default settings: Inside Out of the Box: Default Settings and Electronic Poetics http://www.dichtung-digital.org/2010/heckman/heckman.htm It might be a nice complement to the conversation. I will take a

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Clough, Patricia
Thanks for this Rob. It makes a lot of senseWhat is coming with art after philosophy but again will be interesting. What do you think of the queer stuff we have been viewing and discussing int his regard? Patricia From:

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Ian Bogost
Simon, this conversation is a fool's bargain and I refuse to continue it. You suggest that what is worth doing—but not even doing, just reading, even—only *will have been* worthwhile after enough time has passed that it can be judged on the historical scale. This gambit amounts to a rationalist

[-empyre-] Meta-question about the list

2012-06-27 Thread Ian Bogost
I apologize in advance for posting this. But is there a reason this email list withholds messages for many hours and then distributes them all in a burst? Is every message being moderated? If so why? If not, what's going on? No other mailing list to which I subscribe operates in this manner.

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Timothy Morton
Dear Simon, OOO objects are far more fuzzy than your metaphysically present fuzz. They are ontologically fuzzy. To say fuzzy things are better than smooth things--this is just aesthetic ideology run mad. Tim http://www.ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Ian

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Timothy Morton
Thanks for this Davin. I have it queued up. Tim http://www.ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:53 AM, davin heckman davinheck...@gmail.com wrote: I have an article that I wrote about a year ago which discusses black boxes, poetics, and default settings: Inside Out of the

Re: [-empyre-] Meta-question about the list

2012-06-27 Thread micha cárdenas
Yes, every message is moderated to facilitate dialog and filter out announcements, etc. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Ian Bogost ian.bog...@lcc.gatech.edu wrote: I apologize in advance for posting this. But is there a reason this email list withholds messages for many hours and then

Re: [-empyre-] More on Bio/Nano Materialisms and Anti-techno-formalism

2012-06-27 Thread micha cárdenas
Thank you to pinar for your post too! Sorry I didn't see it until today! I hope you all can chime in about these questions before the week/month ends. cheers, micha On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:00 AM, micha cárdenas mmcar...@usc.edu wrote: Thank you Ricardo, Elle and Heather for the

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/27/2012 11:07 AM, Robert Jackson wrote: Hi All, It's worth noting that Kosuth was a conceptual artist who explicitly followed in the lineage of Duchamp and the 'demonstration' of idea: that is to say, the conceptual delivery of art as information and the separation of 'art' from

Re: [-empyre-] Week 4 - Bio/Nano/Materialisms - the transperversal aesthetic of Texas grasshoppers

2012-06-27 Thread Heather Davis
The no-future future is definitely something that lays heavy on me, as a person and as a thinker, especially as it relates to what you call the 'nanocaust' with its differential racial/class distributions over this earth. it seems precisely at the level of the nano that these struggles are being

Re: [-empyre-] Week 4 - Bio/Nano/Materialisms - the transperversal aesthetic of Texas grasshoppers

2012-06-27 Thread pinar yoldas
Thank you Heather, Your question how do we think of the human reaching beyond the human? is of great importance to me. I want to quote Elizabeth Grosz here , who is a big influence for me and my project . What is distinctively human in the humanities if man is again, in the light of Darwin's

Re: [-empyre-] Meillassoux / Harman

2012-06-27 Thread Timothy Morton
Hi Rob, Lots of artists and musicians are now tuning into OOO. You wrote: The object in itself being accessible as simply the sum of its unique (fnarr) aesthetic properties valenced in terms of their efficacy at reflecting the ego of the gentlemanly spectator is a vision of OOO that would