Re: [-empyre-] live stream with protests in Mexico

2014-11-09 Thread Pia Holenstein
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hi empyre, I am trying to fit in again. Yes, Ana, we share the horror in all shifting stages - but why is it shifting all the time? It leaves you completely out, uninformed, just one glimpse and no explanation. Helpless, useless spectators

Re: [-empyre-] live stream with protests in Mexico

2014-11-09 Thread Fereshteh Vaziri
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hello everybody, I#39;m not sure if I#39;m allowed to write here now, but I read what Anna wrote about identification with the victims of violence all around the world and I asked myself, can we really identify with them? During this

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Reinhold Görling
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Hola Ana, la traducción alemana del „Laberinto de la soledad“ (1950) de Octavio Paz se publicó 1969, poco después de la matanza en la Plaza de Tlatelolco. Paz añadió un capituló que después apareció en el libro „Postdata“, editado por

Re: [-empyre-] images hard to watch

2014-11-09 Thread Pia Holenstein
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear friends Johannes asked me to tell you some of my impressions from staying in the Occupied Palestinian territories as a human rights observer. Which I find hard to fit into your discussion. But let’s go. While I never experienced open

[-empyre-] concerning violence

2014-11-09 Thread O Danylyuk
--empyre- soft-skinned space--First of all, I propose to look at each case of war conflict and violence separately. There is no common experience of war. Also some combatants experienced both being a perpetrator and later a victim in the hands of enemy. I came across

[-empyre-] Patriotism

2014-11-09 Thread O Danylyuk
--empyre- soft-skinned space--The current events in my home country Ukraine is a good case study of patriotism. The anti terrorist campaign in the eastern Ukraine that followed the Maidan protests and change of power has an unprecedented support of Ukrainian population:

Re: [-empyre-] Patriotism

2014-11-09 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- For me the sheer concept of patriotism is weird, foreign. Every country of the world is a construction, a border made up politically for economical and territorial needs of the states but not for the peoples. The people don't want borders

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Wonderful text, Reinhold, and I am very pleased and grateful to all working hard to work in several languages. But I think it's also important to choose a lingua franca who can make me understand what Olga, born in Ucrania and Fereshed

Re: [-empyre-] images hard to watch

2014-11-09 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear Pia, many thanks for sharing your stories of your stay in Palestine, in the occupied territories. And I am a bit apalled you never saw any terror or killings (for me the checkpoints ARE terror). By the way here it's a link to an

Re: [-empyre-] live stream with protests in Mexico

2014-11-09 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear Fereshteh, thank you for sharing very powerful images and emotions. My point was the identtification and the warning. I remember quite well the words of the German pastor Martin Niemöller, When the Nazis came for the communists, I did

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Reinhold Görling
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Thanks Ana. Here comes a version in English The German translation of Octavio Paz most read book „The labyrinth of solitude“ (1950) was published 1969 - only a short time after the massacre on the Plaza del Tletelolco in Mexico City.

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence

2014-11-09 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Olga, if it is O.K. with you (and the rules of empyre), I am posting the following passage in my poetry page Murat Nemet-Nejat on Facebook: First of all, I propose to look at each case of war conflict and violence separately. There is no

Re: [-empyre-] concerning languages

2014-11-09 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- dear all what a strong, vibrant series of days we have had so far -- thanks to all of you who participated; and Alan and I are amazed at the depth and diversity of experience and perspective, and hope that others will join soon in the

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- so much now has been brought to the round, and thanks to all those who wrote on the weekend, after having been busy at some points during the week or traveling (like Pia, Olga, and Heiner); my not so very good idea to slow down was

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Maria Damon
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- i have been following with great curiosity and emotion, but have not yet felt that i had anything to add. i live in a very densely populated area (Brooklyn NY) and while I love the vibrancy of the street life, i can also see it being

Re: [-empyre-] images hard to watch

2014-11-09 Thread Pia Holenstein
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear Ana thank you for your answer, your personal experiences, and the videolinks. Next year we come to Palestine at well and we share beds and rooms with Rachel Corrie one week before she was killed. There was a

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-09 Thread Scott Rettberg
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Thanks for a fascinating and moving discussion. I just wanted to say that I have been following this more closely than any other empyre discussion for years. All of these mirrors on our world are overpowering. The atavistic barbarity of

[-empyre-] was rejected, trying to post again

2014-11-09 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Another language: Gmail language, I posted it as plain text but it comes as garbled numerics :) As and old Catholic :) born in Uruguay the most Jacobine country after France :) and raised by Francophile German nuns from Paderborn :) I