Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Fri, 26 May 2017 17:11:14 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > "how dare you commit to the e.org ecrire git repo since i have my > github clone/fork of it" Per your request I was going through the motions. I had also publicly announced my interest and work.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Why this is being relived... On Fri, 26 May 2017 17:16:13 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 15:09:26 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > said: < > > Ecrire is NOT your project. It never has been. Now it definitely > > will

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Fri, 26 May 2017 17:16:13 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... > I'd like to see some committment to it first and to see how you do > first before granting such access. ... > The above. I simply haven't looked. I just know that you have some > stuff on

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Tue, 16 May 2017 08:47:24 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > > https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct > > > > I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of > this thread having spent some time

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 15:09:26 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > On Tue, 16 May 2017 02:45:26 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > I addressed a bug report on IRC. I can do whatever I like in our > > repos. I build ecrire from our

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

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Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

I really like this analogy. I think conflict, debate, etc is quite common in tech. The difference between open source and closed, is it happens in public for open source. Though I think more times than not it leads to good things. Steve Jobs - Beautiful Polished Rocks

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

I should add that people ought to actually thank both Carsten and William for being passionate about their views and speaking out in defense of those. Carsten has done a truly remarkable job in leading this project from its infancy to its current state... If anyone thinks it's even remotely

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Stephen Houston wrote: > No worries as just about everyone else has you ignored. Nobody cares. You > can play innocent here and try and get sympathy. As I said all you have to > do is apologize to several of us. Also, you are the furthest thing from > thick skinned. The evidence of this

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/16/2017 04:21 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > On 05/16/2017 01:17 AM, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> >> On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >>> https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct >>> >> >> I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of >>

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hello ! I havent been able to read all of the mails, but the situation seems pretty similar to my case with EFL, just 4 or 5 years ago. I wish you best luck on all your projects. Dont forget about having fun! Le 2017/05/15 21:13, William L. Thomson Jr. a écrit : > At this point in time. I have

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hello. On 05/16/2017 01:17 AM, Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >> https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct >> > > I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of > this thread having spent some time talking to William on IRC

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Should any of you doubt any actions taken here by any devs, or anything any devs have said, please get with me off list and I would be glad to talk about it. I'm not going to start a he said she said recount of everything on the mailing list, but I would be glad to talk with you and you can make

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/16/2017 10:43 AM, Stephen Houston wrote: > No worries as just about everyone else has you ignored. Nobody cares. You > can play innocent here and try and get sympathy. As I said all you have to > do is apologize to several of us. Also, you are the furthest thing from > thick skinned. The

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

No worries as just about everyone else has you ignored. Nobody cares. You can play innocent here and try and get sympathy. As I said all you have to do is apologize to several of us. Also, you are the furthest thing from thick skinned. The evidence of this even being an issue is not coincidental

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Thank you for your comments. I am by no means perfect or easy to deal with at times. I do try to be respectful always. Though I understand insult can be interpreted differently. I was just trying to establish work flow. It seemed odd given past conversations etc. I have thick skin and will

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Tue, 16 May 2017 00:09:34 + Stephen Houston wrote: > Simon you are just wrong here. You have no idea how he treated others > on IRC and other places before any of this happened. Stephen, you are the only person I have ever had to set an ignore flag in my IRC client

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/16/2017 09:39 AM, Stephen Houston wrote: > Simon you are just wrong here. You have no idea how he treated others on > IRC and other places before any of this happened. Everything he got in this > thread was well deserved. I speak for others who didn't want to be a part > of this mailing

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Simon you are just wrong here. You have no idea how he treated others on IRC and other places before any of this happened. Everything he got in this thread was well deserved. I speak for others who didn't want to be a part of this mailing list thread as well, for various reasons. He got every bit

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct > I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of this thread having spent some time talking to William on IRC in the prior is that if people communicated with some care

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Andrew Williams wrote: > Hi Team, Friends and Community, > > Can we please take a breath, think about how we would like to be thought of > and consider this when we fire out emails to this

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hi Team, Friends and Community, Can we please take a breath, think about how we would like to be thought of and consider this when we fire out emails to this list. We are a community, a diverse community at that, and I love it - there is something for everyone independent of interest, background

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Holy cow. On Mon, May 15, 2017, 2:11 PM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2017 02:45:26 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > I addressed a bug report on IRC. I can do whatever I like in our > > repos. I build ecrire

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

At this point in time. I have no interest of gaining access to git.e.org repositories. I will continue any and all EFL application development outside. I will consider my work going forward on ecrire to be a fork. I may rename it and other things. I really haven't the time for the mistreatment or

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Tue, 16 May 2017 02:45:26 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > I addressed a bug report on IRC. I can do whatever I like in our > repos. I build ecrire from our git. After the report I tried it on > Wayland. It crashed I fixed it. I pushed the fix. Telling me

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 17:41:17 + Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > I just got around to checking my mail after the weekend, and it seems > like maybe people in this thread are interested in some of the work > from my weekly wip branch: > >

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:16:44 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > Rather instead yes by all means lets beat up on someone new to EFL app > development to encourage more EFL app development... You brought your attitude here... what do you expect? > One developing an app

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:22:06 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > On Mon, 15 May 2017 05:39:26 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > May I point out that it is YOU who started to impugn me about my fix > > that at least was portable.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

I just got around to checking my mail after the weekend, and it seems like maybe people in this thread are interested in some of the work from my weekly wip branch: https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/log/?h=devs/discomfitor/wip On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:45 PM William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 16:28:30 + Andrew Williams wrote: > Hi William, > > I'm glad that is now resolved, thanks for figuring it out. Sure, I was already working on it when all the discussion came up. Which is why I commented on others committing. Does not make sense for

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hi William, I'm glad that is now resolved, thanks for figuring it out. Back to the main topic of the thread - is your intention to get this merged back up to master on git.e.org? I think that will affect the coding style etc expectations and so forth, so I was interested in the overall plan :)

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

I was able to replace the ecore x code and resolve any dependencies there and crash related to such under wayland. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/commit/d07af0ebbebcde9818f2d178861d39a6edcf7269 I would have much rather seen something like above than commenting out code and

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:03:26 +0930 Simon Lees wrote: > On 05/14/2017 10:35 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > > Yes because it is a compile time configure option. That anyone who > > is running under Wayland knows they are. Thus they should set > > This assumption is not

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/14/2017 10:35 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Yes because it is a compile time configure option. That anyone who is > running under Wayland knows they are. Thus they should set This assumption is not quite true, on some openSUSE variants we support efl under both X11 and wayland,

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 05:39:26 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > May I point out that it is YOU who started to impugn me about my fix > that at least was portable. First off this is an EFL issue YOU have never addressed. Ecrire sat for years without YOU

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Mon, 15 May 2017 05:27:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sat, 13 May 2017 21:05:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > said: > > > You are welcome to maintain and further Ecrire yourself... Or can > > continue to back seat drive on

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 21:33:47 +0100 Al Poole wrote: > Why not just work on it and then when it's ready have it added to > e.org repo??? This is exactly what I have been doing[1]. I recently merged my branch into master. So that my work could be pulled back into main repo[2].

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 00:06:35 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > The more I look at that old bug. I must say I do not appreciate being > given grief over code I did not write. That I am simply trying to > adapt to appease others. Which the author mentioned was an issue with

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Why not just work on it and then when it's ready have it added to e.org repo??? Access takes a long time and understandably so. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 3:47 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 11:47:34 + > Andrew Williams wrote:

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sat, 13 May 2017 21:05:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > You are welcome to maintain and further Ecrire yourself... Or can > continue to back seat drive on every EFL application. Which will ensure > there are very few as there are now... Now you're beginning to

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

And we are very appreciative of your hard work and good attitude Vincent. Thank you. I think our friend here could take a lesson and stop complaining about everything in a whining manner and learn to be professional. On Sun, May 14, 2017, 10:04 AM Vincent Torri wrote: >

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:03:08 +0200 Vincent Torri wrote: > > > Bit ironic to give someone grief then expect them to do work in an > > area others have not. That is not a good way to motivate > > someone > > If i have had this kind of reasoning, i would never have

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 4:54 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 06:58:01 +0200 > Vincent Torri wrote: >> >> Try to fix it. Add elm functions which are needed, at least for X and >> if you can, for Wayland. > > That is funny! Spend

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 06:58:01 +0200 Vincent Torri wrote: > > Try to fix it. Add elm functions which are needed, at least for X and > if you can, for Wayland. That is funny! Spend my time fixing an issue other have ignored for years. Despite that I cannot run Wayland.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 11:47:34 + Andrew Williams wrote: > Hi guys, > > I think a little context may help here - please take a breath and > consider each others motivation before contradicting further. > > William, > EFL is intended as a cross-platform solution. Apps

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hi guys, I think a little context may help here - please take a breath and consider each others motivation before contradicting further. William, EFL is intended as a cross-platform solution. Apps built with it should work on different platforms and front ends without re-compiling. We are moving

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 6:06 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 13 May 2017 23:58:30 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > >> I have been working on such. Why I said look into vs commit. >> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T5476 >> >> Which

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sat, 13 May 2017 23:58:30 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > I have been working on such. Why I said look into vs commit. > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T5476 > > Which closed out the same issue going back to 2014. That was not > resolved then it does not seem.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sun, 14 May 2017 05:44:18 +0200 Vincent Torri wrote: > > I would say that ecrire should not be tied to a specific graphic > system if you want to make it cross platform. Better use > ecore-evas/elm instead I have been working on such. Why I said look into vs commit.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 5:10 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2017 15:37:57 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > >> That is what I am used to from when I was a Gentoo developer years >> ago. Once you get commit access, it is

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

This dude is a troll right? Going after developers on IRC, and now raster on several ml threads, all while trashing EFL and bragging about his gentoo days... has to be a troll. As a side note related to this thread... please don't give this guy commit access unless he changes his attitude and can

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Sat, 13 May 2017 07:59:30 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > seriously? you really need to re evaluate some of your perspectives. Taking time to look into a matter rather than running off and making a commit is not unreasonable. > welcome to conflicts.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Fri, 12 May 2017 11:10:14 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." said: > On Wed, 10 May 2017 15:37:57 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > > That is what I am used to from when I was a Gentoo developer years > > ago. Once you get commit access, it is

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Wed, 10 May 2017 15:37:57 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > That is what I am used to from when I was a Gentoo developer years > ago. Once you get commit access, it is unrestricted. It is expected > to be respectful. If you touch another's stuff get permission etc.

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:47:43 +0100 Tom Hacohen wrote: > > Phab is the worst way to reach me, IRC and direct emails are best, and > mailing list is somewhere in the middle. > I guess I just missed your mailing list post. No worries. The reason for the forms were for public

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On Wed, 10 May 2017 07:36:51 + Andrew Williams wrote: > Hi, > > Efler already has ecrire in its package list but it is not currently > able to install from GitHub. Once master is merged upstream it will > pick up the latest version automatically. Github stuff would be

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Replying to both of you in one go. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 1:38 AM, Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 05/10/2017 08:39 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> I finally got in touch with Tom Hacohen/tasn. Turns out IRC was best >> form, as phab and mailing list were not, go figure. Seems I

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

Hi, Efler already has ecrire in its package list but it is not currently able to install from GitHub. Once master is merged upstream it will pick up the latest version automatically. I hope that helps, Andy On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 00:10, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I

Re: [E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

On 05/10/2017 08:39 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I finally got in touch with Tom Hacohen/tasn. Turns out IRC was best > form, as phab and mailing list were not, go figure. Seems I have Tom's > blessing to take over ecrire[1]. Which there is no rush to do > officially. I have already

[E-devel] Taking over as maintainer of ecrire

I finally got in touch with Tom Hacohen/tasn. Turns out IRC was best form, as phab and mailing list were not, go figure. Seems I have Tom's blessing to take over ecrire[1]. Which there is no rush to do officially. I have already informally taken it over and proceeded with tags, release, etc[2].