On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:30:28 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:09:42 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:49:18 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
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> > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 09:33 +1000, Daniel Kasak wrote:
> the KHTML people are pissed off with Apple ( who use KHTML in Safari )
> for not following the 'spirit' of the GPL and detailing their changes in
> change logs, patches, etc, and actually participating in the community.
If I remember the KHT
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:09:42 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:49:18 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
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> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:33:35 +1000 Daniel Kasak
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Carsten Haitzler (The Ras
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:49:18 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:33:35 +1000 Daniel Kasak
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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> > Those are some damned good arguments. The purest in me doesn't like to
> > a
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:09:41 +1000 Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> Daniel Kasak wrote:
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> >Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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> >>fact: once source is available it IS able to be stolen. the chances of being
> >>able to lift large chunks of useful code (eg take the image sc
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:33:35 +1000 Daniel Kasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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> >fact: once source is available it IS able to be stolen. the chances of being
> >able to lift large chunks of useful code (eg take the image scaling routines
> >or the alpha
Daniel Kasak wrote:
>Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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>>fact: once source is available it IS able to be stolen. the chances of being
>>able to lift large chunks of useful code (eg take the image scaling routines
>>or
>>the alpha blending routines) which is where a lot of the really
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:33:35 +1000 Daniel Kasak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> Those are some damned good arguments. The purest in me doesn't like to
> admit this, but I see your reasoning now.
Hmm, guess that description is FAQ materiel then, but it
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>fact: once source is available it IS able to be stolen. the chances of being
>able to lift large chunks of useful code (eg take the image scaling routines or
>the alpha blending routines) which is where a lot of the really tight code is,
>is tirival. no one
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:46:45 -0400 Michael writes:
> On Friday, 14 October 2005, at 12:19:14 (+0900),
> Carsten Haitzler wrote:
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> > so does everyone seem agreed we should try re-assign priorities to
> > the mailing lists to be more "on topic" (make some announcements
> and
> > make an effort
On Friday, 14 October 2005, at 12:19:14 (+0900),
Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> so does everyone seem agreed we should try re-assign priorities to
> the mailing lists to be more "on topic" (make some announcements and
> make an effort to redirect mails to users or web lists etc.) and
> then maybe free
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:07:33 +1000 Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> It's Friday, and I'm not doing any more coding, so I'll weigh in on this
> one :)
>
> I was somewhat surprised when I realised that all Enlightenment stuff is
> BSD.
>
> The GPL license offers protection from predatory bodie
Jose O Gonzalez wrote:
I personally fail to understand the free-and-good-BSD vs
political-and-bad-LGPL, stance of many here.
The reality is that *any* recourse to a license, even a copyright,
is taking a political stance - it is seeking protection through the legal
framework via
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:17:02 -0400 Jose O Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
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> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:19:14 +0900 Carsten writes:
> > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:51:23 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
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> > > Looking ahead, if Simon and Hisham are committe
On 10/14/05, Jose O Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's odd but one begins to get the feeling that a lot of thisnegative reaction to etk has more to do with the licensing issuethan with actual code, or antecedent discussion about issues,etc.
No, as you'll notice the licensing was only
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:19:14 +0900 Carsten writes:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:51:23 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
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> > Looking ahead, if Simon and Hisham are committed to working as
> part of the
> > team, one excellent way to extend an olive branch would be to BS
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:19:14 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so does everyone seem agreed we should try re-assign priorities to
> the mailing lists to be more "on topic" (make some announcements and
> make an effort to redirect mails to users or web lists etc.)
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:51:23 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> raster, I just wanted to clarify a couple of your points. The email linked
> that shows a message from Simon that didn't get a response, it was followed
> closely by a similar email from Hisham which I did respond t
raster, I just wanted to clarify a couple of your points. The email
linked that shows a message from Simon that didn't get a response, it
was followed closely by a similar email from Hisham which I did respond
to, so I didn't feel it was necessary to respond with duplicate
information on the same l
On Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 10:23:36 (+0900),
Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> only from those not directly concerned witht he issues. nathat said
> early on - he doesnt care EXCEPt that he didnt get any chance to
> discuss the issues earlier on because of lack of communication from
> simon's end.
Agreed... I´ve tried to stay away from this, but I just can´t ignore
these mails anymore. While I understand there are various problems and
all this hasn´t exactly gone the right way, I don´t think any
alternative path would have been possible, given the personalities and
viewpoints involved. This
Poor Carsten...
It is kind of funny in a sort of "dark humor", this thread sounds like
a bunch of women (If any women read this, don't get offened, I showed
this to a female friend and she laughed too) stiring up things and
talking about it at the hair dresser's :-). Like he said : "peace love
On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:Then stop trying to get in the middle. People have valid concerns that should be addressed. There are questions to which Nathan and Dan deserve answers that only Simon and Hisham can give. I respect that you're trying to play peacemaker, but i
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:01:15 -0400 Michael writes:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 23:33:18 (-0400),
> Jose O Gonzalez wrote:
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> > I remember reading once, long ago, an interview by an excited
> > newcomer named Michael Jennings.. an interview he did of two, more
> > or less, old-timers known
On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 21:36:56 (-0700),
Arlo wrote:
> The time put into etk is paid by those that work on it; so if they
> felt it was worth the time, then let them spend it. They don't HAVE
> to work on the syndicated project. Introducing a competitor they
> way they did may have been
On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 23:33:18 (-0400),
Jose O Gonzalez wrote:
> I remember reading once, long ago, an interview by an excited
> newcomer named Michael Jennings.. an interview he did of two, more
> or less, old-timers known as "raster" and "mandrake".
You are mistaken. Was I a newcomer
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:43:07 +1000 Daniel Kasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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> >you guys are seeing reds under every bed.
> >
> As a lowly user, I've been watching this thread, partly worried, and
> partly amused, but anyway keeping my nose out.
> But a
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>you guys are seeing reds under every bed.
>
As a lowly user, I've been watching this thread, partly worried, and
partly amused, but anyway keeping my nose out.
But as a socialist, I resent that comment.
'All Power to the Soviets!'
:)
Dan
--
I hesitate to add more to this thread but I feel compelled to; so here's
my two cents...
The time put into etk is paid by those that work on it; so if they felt
it was worth the time, then let them spend it. They don't HAVE to work
on the syndicated project. Introducing a competitor they way
Everyone here would do well to pay attention to what
Carsten has been trying to say on this issue -- he is being
very much the voice of reason and moderation.
If I may add my own thoughts on this..
All progress depends very much on having "excited newcomers",
some of thes
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:33:55 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 01:10:14 (+0900),
> Carsten Haitzler wrote:
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> > i dont see anything working against - its in parallel and its in a
> > prototype dir. is he commiting bad code to ewl to make it w
On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 12:29:43 (-0600),
Jason Smith wrote:
> I am not a developer so what I say may be misguided, but from what
> I've seen the only thing that's going to help this situation is for
> Hisham/Simon and Nathan/Dan to discuss the problem and come up with
> a solution.
The d
On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:Then stop trying to get in the middle. People have valid concerns that should be addressed. There are questions to which Nathan and Dan deserve answers that only Simon and Hisham can give. I respect that you're trying to play peacemaker, but i
On Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 01:10:14 (+0900),
Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> i dont see anything working against - its in parallel and its in a
> prototype dir. is he commiting bad code to ewl to make it worse? how
> is it working against?
Have you not noticed the frustration and anger it has ca
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:02:02 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 16:59:42 (+0900),
> Carsten Haitzler wrote:
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> > my quote for this mail:
> >
> > "can't we just all get along?"
>
> Some of us can. Those of us who are working as a team. Our pr
On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 16:59:42 (+0900),
Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> my quote for this mail:
>
> "can't we just all get along?"
Some of us can. Those of us who are working as a team. Our problem
is with those working *against* the team.
> ok everyone back off on the harsh language and
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:50:16 -0500 Ibukun Olumuyiwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
my quote for this mail:
"can't we just all get along?"
ok everyone back off on the harsh language and mails. first. ETK is in PROTO...
i repeat - PROTO. PROTO PROTO PROTO
PROTO = PROTOTYPE
proto is a playground fo
I say *no*. This ETK serves nothing other than to impede progress,
introduce confusion and serve one particular author's specific
needs/wants. If you guys really think ETK is the greatest thing since
sliced bread, please start another SF project for it. This is not
serving the Enlightenment pro
I've been thinking a lot about this whole EWL/ETK mess. Is there ANY
way for these two projects to co-exist? Even share some of the same
code? Could ETK be merged with EWL (perhaps have separate name spaces
for each API under EWL?), at least then, applications can still link to
EWL but use e
On Thursday, 06 October 2005, at 03:20:19 (-0500),
Nathan Ingersoll wrote:
> > 1) EWL just doesn't FEEL right. Meaning: When you open up an EWL
> > application (e.g. e_util_eapp_edit), things don't respond the way one
> > would expect. Resizing is often buggy, cursors / highlighting in text fields
Thanks for the neutral summary Brian.
I'll just toss in a quick concern or three. of my own:
1) I agree with Brian, commiting ETK unannounced (I never saw mention of
it coming anyway) is a slap in the face to Nathan. He's worked hard on
EWL for 2+ years and suddenly a duplicate project pops u
On 10/5/05, Brian Mattern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Today on IRC, there was a rather heated discussion about why ETK waswritten whether or not EWL should
be scrapped. I'll try to sort through the emotion...(NB: neither RbdPngn nor MoOm, the two lead devs of EWL & ETKrespectively were present for t
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