Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Mick]

On Tuesday 07 Jun 2016 08:54:21 Daniel Kasak wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Larry Wyble  wrote:

> > I am trying to make an ICON/launcher for a bash script file. Try that
> > with your methods.
> 
> Done. I write some database-centric apps at work ( ETL framework,
> config utilities, packaging & release utilities ), and use a bash
> script to launch them. I have an icon for each, and they sit in my
> ibar:
> http://tesla.duckdns.org/images/smart-etl-icon.jpg
> 
> > And if you can PLEASE let me know how.
> 
> Done.
> 
> Dan

Larry, it has already been suggested that your 
~/.local/applications/mysrcipt.desktop file may have the wrong syntax or some 
error, so check this first.  Then go to the iBar icon for your script, right 
click on 'Icon ' and then check under Basic/Application you have the 
correct syntax and under General/Desktop file you point to your 
~/.local/applications/.desktop.  Also check that your script file is 
executable by your user.

That's how it has worked here for years.
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Daniel Kasak]

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Larry Wyble  wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:02:57 +1000
> Daniel Kasak  wrote:
>
>> To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make
>> new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
>> complaining about it".
>
> Actually the subject changed through the natural flow of conversation.
> And as far as the comment "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
> complaining about it". That's a fallacy, as I never once said that in
> this conversation.

You're not complaining? I DO beg your pardon. I will purchase my 1st
pair of reading glasses.

>>You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to
>> add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click
>> the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add
>> the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears
>> in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve
>> menu items which do what you want.
>
> I am trying to make an ICON/launcher for a bash script file. Try that
> with your methods.

Done. I write some database-centric apps at work ( ETL framework,
config utilities, packaging & release utilities ), and use a bash
script to launch them. I have an icon for each, and they sit in my
ibar:
http://tesla.duckdns.org/images/smart-etl-icon.jpg

> And if you can PLEASE let me know how.

Done.

Dan

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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:02:57 +1000
Daniel Kasak  wrote:

> To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make
> new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
> complaining about it". 

Actually the subject changed through the natural flow of conversation.
And as far as the comment "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
complaining about it". That's a fallacy, as I never once said that in
this conversation.

>You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to
> add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click
> the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add
> the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears
> in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve
> menu items which do what you want.

I am trying to make an ICON/launcher for a bash script file. Try that
with your methods. And if you can PLEASE let me know how.

> As for documenting this, a) I found this pretty easily by clicking
> around - which is how I assume most Linux users figure out their
> desktop environment ( as opposed to reading some documentation - it's
> really that that hard ), so I'm not totally convinced it needs
> documenting, and b) please document it.
> 
> Further, chill. Hissy fit upon hissy fit, from a non-paying user to a
> mailing list full of volunteers is extremely unbecoming.

> Dan

Dan, I have come on this list over the years with many compliments to
the developers and volunteers for the work they do, in fact I have been
a member of this list since it's inception I believe. I have been a
user of Enlightenment since the early days of E-16. In fact I
expressed my appreciation to the maintainer of E-16 as well as
Terminology not more than 1 or 2 weeks ago on this list. No one is as
appreciative of the work that's done to Enlightenment as I am. There
has been NO "hissy fit upon hissy fit" from me in this list. This is
the first and only negative comment that I have ever made about
enlightenment. It has turned into a longer conversation than I had
expected, I will admit. I have tried to be as gentle as possible in
my expressions as I could because I do understand that this is a lot
of work and is given free to the users, I am no fool. But at the same
time it is very possible to be appreciative and at the same time point
out things that are absolutely frustrating. I admit I shouldn't have
waited til frustration to point out some flaws, I could have been
more subdued I admit. But now that's water under the bridge.

Anyway, Have a nice day.
Larry

 
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Larry Wyble 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
> > Daniel Kasak  wrote:
> >  
> >> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are
> >> not the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.
> >>
> >> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
> >> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
> >> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
> >> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path
> >> to the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list,
> >> your .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the
> >> issue is. If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL +
> >> right-click it, and select:
> >>
> >> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
> >> whatever IBar )
> >>
> >> It should now be in your launcher.
> >>
> >> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is
> >> a "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing
> >> icons and add them to the IBar.
> >>
> >> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
> >> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you
> >> can add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of
> >> adding icons to the IBar.
> >>
> >> There are lots of ways.
> >>
> >> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions
> >> of E for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me -
> >> actually it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also
> >> appreciate the mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will
> >> certainly pay off in the long term.
> >>
> >> Dan  
> >
> > I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
> > that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many
> > years but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many
> > undocumented hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the
> > piece of software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu
> > choices were not actually meant to act as one would presume, then
> > why add those choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere
> > where they can be easily found? Don't get me wrong I love
> > Enlightenment, always have. but the desktop seems to be 

Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[R. W. Reese]

El 2016-06-06 01:02, Daniel Kasak escribió:
> To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make
> new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
> complaining about it". You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to
> add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click
> the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add
> the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears
> in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve
> menu items which do what you want.
> 
> As for documenting this, a) I found this pretty easily by clicking
> around - which is how I assume most Linux users figure out their
> desktop environment ( as opposed to reading some documentation - it's
> really that that hard ), so I'm not totally convinced it needs
> documenting, and b) please document it.
> 
> Further, chill. Hissy fit upon hissy fit, from a non-paying user to a
> mailing list full of volunteers is extremely unbecoming.
> 
> Dan
> 

Thanks, Dan, these are good points, and your first one is one of the 
reasons I changed the subject line on my prior reply.

There is also something to be said for the limits of documentation. How 
many of us read *all* the documentation? Sometimes it is simply easier 
to try some characteristic strategies.

The other point here is that not everyone uses every module, and I am 
sure that even some of the devs may forget some of the adjustments -- or 
menu driven ways -- to do some things. In two years I have never even 
loaded the iBar module, let alone used it. That is not to say that it is 
not useful or does not fit with how some people work, simply that it is 
part of the joy of E that it has so many options. The corollary is that 
some features of E will only be used and well known to a fraction of the 
community, part of which may not even be on this list.

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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Daniel Kasak]

To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make
new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without
complaining about it". You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to
add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click
the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add
the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears
in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve
menu items which do what you want.

As for documenting this, a) I found this pretty easily by clicking
around - which is how I assume most Linux users figure out their
desktop environment ( as opposed to reading some documentation - it's
really that that hard ), so I'm not totally convinced it needs
documenting, and b) please document it.

Further, chill. Hissy fit upon hissy fit, from a non-paying user to a
mailing list full of volunteers is extremely unbecoming.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Larry Wyble  wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
> Daniel Kasak  wrote:
>
>> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
>> the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.
>>
>> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
>> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
>> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
>> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
>> the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
>> .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
>> If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
>> select:
>>
>> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
>> whatever IBar )
>>
>> It should now be in your launcher.
>>
>> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
>> "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
>> and add them to the IBar.
>>
>> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
>> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
>> add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
>> to the IBar.
>>
>> There are lots of ways.
>>
>> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
>> for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
>> it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
>> mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
>> the long term.
>>
>> Dan
>
> I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
> that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many years
> but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many undocumented
> hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the piece of
> software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu choices were not
> actually meant to act as one would presume, then why add those
> choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere where they can be
> easily found? Don't get me wrong I love Enlightenment, always have. but
> the desktop seems to be nothing but a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment
> desktop is meant to be used by the masses then it should perform as
> expected when using it's own menu and configuration system. But it
> doesn't. There are problems all over the desktop that need to be taken
> care of.
>
> The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one
> wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform these
> actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And many times
> there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of how to
> accomplish these feats are known.
>
>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble 
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
>> > Eric  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
>> >> > Eric  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create
>> >> >> the launcher, what application you are trying to launch and
>> >> >> what errors you are receiving?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kind regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >
>> >> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new
>> >> > icon > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name,
>> >> > application, then click icon and enter the icon name, them click
>> >> > apply and close and nothing happens. It's like typing into
>> >> > nothing and hoping that nothing actually does something for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for replying
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop
>> >> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
>> >>
>> >> Can you 

Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
Daniel Kasak  wrote:

> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
> the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.
> 
> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
> the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
> .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
> If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
> select:
> 
> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
> whatever IBar )
> 
> It should now be in your launcher.
> 
> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
> "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
> and add them to the IBar.
> 
> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
> add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
> to the IBar.
> 
> There are lots of ways.
> 
> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
> for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
> it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
> mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
> the long term.
> 
> Dan

I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many years
but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many undocumented
hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the piece of
software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu choices were not
actually meant to act as one would presume, then why add those
choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere where they can be
easily found? Don't get me wrong I love Enlightenment, always have. but
the desktop seems to be nothing but a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment
desktop is meant to be used by the masses then it should perform as
expected when using it's own menu and configuration system. But it
doesn't. There are problems all over the desktop that need to be taken
care of. 

The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one
wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform these
actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And many times
there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of how to
accomplish these feats are known. 


> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
> > Eric  wrote:
> >  
> >> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:  
> >> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> >> > Eric  wrote:
> >> >  
> >>  
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create
> >> >> the launcher, what application you are trying to launch and
> >> >> what errors you are receiving?
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Eric  
> >> >
> >> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new
> >> > icon > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name,
> >> > application, then click icon and enter the icon name, them click
> >> > apply and close and nothing happens. It's like typing into
> >> > nothing and hoping that nothing actually does something for you.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for replying
> >> >
> >> >  
> >> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop
> >> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
> >>
> >> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag
> >> it from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
> >> application icons that are already there.
> >>
> >> I hope this works for you,
> >>
> >> kind regards,
> >>
> >> Eric  
> >
> > Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is
> > supposed to work. This should be working properly by using the
> > menus and apps built into Enlightenment, not by working around the
> > designed operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's
> > not. It's ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.
> > Wayland is much more important than being able to use the desktop.
> >
> > Appreciate your replying to this.
> > Larry
> >
> >  
> >>
> >>
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
Daniel Kasak  wrote:

>Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
>the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.

well, technically speaking, that's not *always* true... :)

>
>Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
>~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
>need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
>together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
>the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
>.desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
>If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
>select:
>
>[app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
>whatever IBar )
>
>It should now be in your launcher.
>
>I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
>"+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
>and add them to the IBar.
>
>Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
>~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
>add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
>to the IBar.
>
>There are lots of ways.
>
>As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
>for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
>it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
>mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
>the long term.
>
>Dan
>
>On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
>> Eric  wrote:
>>  
>>> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:  
>>> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
>>> > Eric  wrote:
>>> >  
>>>  
>>> >>
>>> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create
>>> >> the launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what
>>> >> errors you are receiving?
>>> >>
>>> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric  
>>> >
>>> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon
>>> > > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name,
>>> > > application,
>>> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and
>>> > close and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and
>>> > hoping that nothing actually does something for you.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for replying
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop
>>> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
>>>
>>> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag
>>> it from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
>>> application icons that are already there.
>>>
>>> I hope this works for you,
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>>
>>> Eric  
>>
>> Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is
>> supposed to work. This should be working properly by using the menus
>> and apps built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
>> operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
>> ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
>> more important than being able to use the desktop.
>>
>> Appreciate your replying to this.
>> Larry
>>
>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps,
>>> and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides
>>> multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows.
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Daniel Kasak]

Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.

Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
.desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
select:

[app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
whatever IBar )

It should now be in your launcher.

I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
"+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
and add them to the IBar.

Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
to the IBar.

There are lots of ways.

As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
the long term.

Dan

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble  wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
> Eric  wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
>> > Eric  wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >>
>> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
>> >> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
>> >> you are receiving?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >
>> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
>> > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application,
>> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close
>> > and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that
>> > nothing actually does something for you.
>> >
>> > Thanks for replying
>> >
>> >
>> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file
>> in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
>>
>> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it
>> from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
>> application icons that are already there.
>>
>> I hope this works for you,
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Eric
>
> Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is supposed
> to work. This should be working properly by using the menus and apps
> built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
> operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
> ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
> more important than being able to use the desktop.
>
> Appreciate your replying to this.
> Larry
>
>
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
Eric  wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> > Eric  wrote:
> >  
> 
> >>
> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
> >> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> >> you are receiving?
> >>
> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Eric  
> >
> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
> > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application,
> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close
> > and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that
> > nothing actually does something for you.
> >
> > Thanks for replying
> >
> >  
> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file
> in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
> 
> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it 
> from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
> application icons that are already there.
> 
> I hope this works for you,
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is supposed
to work. This should be working properly by using the menus and apps
built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
more important than being able to use the desktop. 

Appreciate your replying to this.
Larry  


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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Eric]

On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> Eric  wrote:
>

>>
>> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
>> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
>> you are receiving?
>>
>> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Eric
>
> Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
> then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application, then
> click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close and
> nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that nothing
> actually does something for you.
>
> Thanks for replying
>
>
That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file in 
the ~/.local/share/applications directory.

Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it 
from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other application 
icons that are already there.

I hope this works for you,

kind regards,

Eric



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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Larry Wyble]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
Eric  wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 03:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> >
> > No matter what I do in the ibar I can't make new application
> > launchers/icons in the ibar. I put in the name, the icon name,
> > the executable name, hit apply and then exit and nothing
> > happens.  What do I have to do to make new app launchers on
> > the ibar??  This shouldn't be this hard. This has been this way for
> > multiple versions and never fixed or EXPLAINED  in this
> > mailing list. Why? What the hell does it take to get this so a
> > regular user can set up a proper desktop the way they want it? What
> > use is the menu items "ibar > create new icon"?
> > I have even made my own .desktop files to try to get the launchers
> > on the ibar but enlightenment won't pick them up out of the
> > directory.
> >
> > Also I have tried for the last 3 versions to get help with my volume
> > keys on the keyboard but so far no one has bothered to answer my
> > questions on that.
> >
> > This is supposed to be the enlightenment mailing list where help is
> > supposed to be available but so far, even with the developer being
> > on this list, I have yet to get any help with this desktop. I just
> > continue to upgrade with each version that comes out hoping that
> > something changes and improves but nothing changes or improves,
> > just the same old problems, same old bugs, same old crap. This
> > would be a great desktop if it worked properly but it seems the
> > only things that are important is getting Wayland working. Yeah
> > buddy let's work on wayland and screw the rest of the desktop.
> >
> > Here's what we got for the last upgrade announcement:
> >
> > HIGHLIGHTS
> >* Greatly improved Wayland support
> >* New gadget infrastructure
> >* Wizard improvements
> >* Video backgrounds
> >
> > CHANGES SINCE BETA
> >* Wayland DMA buffer support
> >* Wayland session recovery
> >* New DRM subsystem
> >* Various crash fixes/additions
> >
> > 50%  Wayland announcements, which really doesn't make a tinkers
> > damn in the usability of the Enlightenment desktop. 50% Wayland and
> > the rest of the upgrades don't make another tinker's damn, DRM
> > subsystem, no help, Gadgets improvements, no help, Wizard
> > improvements, what's that? Video backgrounds, no help.
> > Let's fix the basic usability of the desktop.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole. But after years and years of trying to
> > use something that is a major fail and trying and trying to get help
> > and seeing another fail, I'm at the point where I'm truly
> > frustrated. Yeah, I know, it's free and so do you and since this
> > has been distributed free for so long I come to the conclusion that
> > you may want to know what a normal, loyal user's impression is of
> > the desktop. I have been using Enlightenment since before E17 and I
> > have upgraded every version since and I have always ended up going
> > back to e16, But I'm at the point where I have to leave E16 because
> > Terminology doesn't work properly with E16 now because of
> > terminology looking for some crap that E16 doesn't have. I get
> > errors and can't start it in full screen mode.
> >
> > Well, you can kick me off the mailing list and scream profanities at
> > me now and tell me what an asshole I am for expressing my opinions.
> > But that's life in the slow lane.
> > Thanks
> >  
> 
> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the 
> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> you are receiving?
> 
> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application, then
click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close and
nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that nothing
actually does something for you.

Thanks for replying




 
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Eric]

On 06/03/2016 03:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>
> No matter what I do in the ibar I can't make new application
> launchers/icons in the ibar. I put in the name, the icon name,
> the executable name, hit apply and then exit and nothing
> happens.  What do I have to do to make new app launchers on
> the ibar??  This shouldn't be this hard. This has been this way for
> multiple versions and never fixed or EXPLAINEDin this mailing
> list. Why? What the hell does it take to get this so a regular user can
> set up a proper desktop the way they want it? What use is the menu
> items "ibar > create new icon"?
> I have even made my own .desktop files to try to get the launchers on
> the ibar but enlightenment won't pick them up out of the directory.
>
> Also I have tried for the last 3 versions to get help with my volume
> keys on the keyboard but so far no one has bothered to answer my
> questions on that.
>
> This is supposed to be the enlightenment mailing list where help is
> supposed to be available but so far, even with the developer being on
> this list, I have yet to get any help with this desktop. I just continue
> to upgrade with each version that comes out hoping that something
> changes and improves but nothing changes or improves, just the same old
> problems, same old bugs, same old crap. This would be a great desktop
> if it worked properly but it seems the only things that are important
> is getting Wayland working. Yeah buddy let's work on wayland and screw
> the rest of the desktop.
>
> Here's what we got for the last upgrade announcement:
>
> HIGHLIGHTS
>* Greatly improved Wayland support
>* New gadget infrastructure
>* Wizard improvements
>* Video backgrounds
>
> CHANGES SINCE BETA
>* Wayland DMA buffer support
>* Wayland session recovery
>* New DRM subsystem
>* Various crash fixes/additions
>
> 50%  Wayland announcements, which really doesn't make a tinkers damn in
> the usability of the Enlightenment desktop. 50% Wayland and the rest
> of the upgrades don't make another tinker's damn, DRM subsystem, no
> help, Gadgets improvements, no help, Wizard improvements, what's that?
> Video backgrounds, no help.
> Let's fix the basic usability of the desktop.
>
>
> Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole. But after years and years of trying to
> use something that is a major fail and trying and trying to get help
> and seeing another fail, I'm at the point where I'm truly frustrated.
> Yeah, I know, it's free and so do you and since this has been
> distributed free for so long I come to the conclusion that you may want
> to know what a normal, loyal user's impression is of the desktop.
> I have been using Enlightenment since before E17 and I have upgraded
> every version since and I have always ended up going back to e16, But
> I'm at the point where I have to leave E16 because Terminology doesn't
> work properly with E16 now because of terminology looking for some
> crap that E16 doesn't have. I get errors and can't start it in full
> screen mode.
>
> Well, you can kick me off the mailing list and scream profanities at
> me now and tell me what an asshole I am for expressing my opinions.
> But that's life in the slow lane.
> Thanks
>

Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the 
launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors you 
are receiving?

Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.

Kind regards,

Eric




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