[EUG-LUG:1362] Squid

2002-02-01 Thread Bob Crandell
-- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Cell 541-914-3985 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com

[EUG-LUG:1363] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Rob Hudson
If your desktop1 is also a gateway, I think it would look more like this... SWGW/FW/Desktop1-CM | +Desktop2 In that setup, you'll need to nics in desktop1. One for the cable modem incoming, and one to go out to the switch. The gateway will get it's IP from

[EUG-LUG:1364] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Jacob Shaw
On 1/31/02 10:44 PM, Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that RMS has taken to using this as a test of ideological purity bsd bigot You know... Jordan Hubbard isn't like this and his OS is truly free, as in, you can take the source and do WHATEVER you want (Just ask the Windows

[EUG-LUG:1365] Rules, GLFS survey, Liberation, Creativity

2002-02-01 Thread Dexter Graphic
List Rules -- My understanding of the EUGLUG list rules is that everything nontechnical should be posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], unless people decide to talk about it on the main list because it's too much trouble for everyone to go subscribe to yet another list (BTW, here's how you

[EUG-LUG:1366] Re: Rules, GLFS survey, Liberation, Creativity

2002-02-01 Thread Mr O
The particular issue at hand though could have direct impact to the website and is more clearly directly related to the EUGLUG in general than other activism items would be. Therefore it seems just to have this discussion on this list. On Friday 01 February 2002 08:50 am, you wrote: List

[EUG-LUG:1367] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jacob Shaw wrote: On 1/31/02 10:44 PM, Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that RMS has taken to using this as a test of ideological purity see rms's reply especially the bit about words are important bsd bigot You know... Jordan Hubbard isn't like

[EUG-LUG:1368] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Rob Hudson
On 20020201.1024, Larry Price said ... On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jacob Shaw wrote: The BSD's are good operating systems, the machine i'm typing this on used to run freebsd before debian took over, and I'm running OpenBSD on my laptop. But, there is a reason that the linux kernel now runs on

[EUG-LUG:1369] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Rob Hudson wrote: Other than the disadvantage of choosing a platform in the minority, what's the reason to choose a GPLd platform? Or, why NOT choose *BSD? The GPL actually encourages the right sorts of competition for the entire system to grow faster, this is why people

[EUG-LUG:1370] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
On Friday 01 February 2002 10:34, Rob Hudson wrote: On 20020201.1024, Larry Price said ... On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jacob Shaw wrote: The BSD's are good operating systems, the machine i'm typing this on used to run freebsd before debian took over, and I'm running OpenBSD on my laptop.

[EUG-LUG:1371] Re: list EUG-LUG: List Message Rejected (fwd)

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
Do you mean GNU/OpenBSD ? my count on that is 8 syls (too lazy to type all the letters for sylables). Jamie On Thursday 31 January 2002 21:06, you wrote: it's just as many syllables as Open-B-S-D ;]), then do you really think they're worth your time anyway?

[EUG-LUG:1372] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
On Friday 01 February 2002 08:40, Jacob Shaw wrote: On 1/31/02 10:44 PM, Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that RMS has taken to using this as a test of ideological purity bsd bigot You know... Jordan Hubbard isn't like this and his OS is truly free, as in, you can take

[EUG-LUG:1373] Re: GNU Stuff

2002-02-01 Thread Edward Craig
While I see why it's happened, I wish these threads hadn't spread themselves over two EUGLUG lists (ome of which, [EMAIL PROTECTED], is not linked from www.euglug.org, and maybe not archived at all), and I'm really unhappy that while RMS is a major subject of them, so much of them is

[EUG-LUG:1374] Re: list EUG-LUG: List Message Rejected (fwd)

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
On Friday 01 February 2002 11:34, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Do you mean GNU/OpenBSD ? my count on that is 8 syls (too lazy to type all the letters for sylables). I haven't heard of anyone proposing GNU/OpenBSD (no glibc, no bash, no..., well maybe the compiler tool chain). The writer's point was

[EUG-LUG:1375] Re: list EUG-LUG: List Message Rejected (fwd)

2002-02-01 Thread justin bengtson
--- Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not about purity in the abstract, it's about whether you spread the confusion that hampers our work, or help correct it. I agree with that 100%. Influential people like Bill G. say the GPL and the GNU/Linux system is bad. Well, if you like

[EUG-LUG:1376] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
For all of us making assumptions about what RMS/FSF are trying to do with the GNU/Linux name, this article and the ones it links to might be worth taking a look at: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html

[EUG-LUG:1378] Re: Linux Links

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
Jim, I thought of a couple of links you might also like: www.euglug.org -- Eugene Linux www.lwn.net -- Linux weekly News www.RockSolidNetworks.com --- Linux only networking company (me.. sorry, I havnt paid my hosting bill... site is currently down)

[EUG-LUG:1379] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
Justin, so... It may be a simple cableing issue for you... You can plug your cable modem into the switch/hub, then the rest of the computers into the swtich/hub. You could also connect the cable modem into the firwall box, add a nic, and connect that nic to the switch. This physically

[EUG-LUG:1380] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
On Friday 01 February 2002 11:47, Tim Howe wrote: I think it's fairly obvious why Linux, and not BSD, has become the stray cat that big business is doting on right now: When you say Linux, people recognize the name, when you say BSD they haven't a clue. There has been a shitload of press

[EUG-LUG:1381] Re: Squid

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
On Friday 01 February 2002 07:39, you wrote: Bob, who you calling a Squid ?

[EUG-LUG:1382] Re: list EUG-LUG: List Message Rejected

2002-02-01 Thread Jamie
Richard, If you would like to subscribe to our list, I can assist you, or you can do it yourself by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with the message, subscribe eug-lug in it. On another note. Ive noticed you mention the right thing to do many times, infact, so many Im

[EUG-LUG:1383] Re: GNU Stuff

2002-02-01 Thread justin bengtson
--- Edward Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I see why it's happened, I wish these threads hadn't spread themselves over two EUGLUG lists (ome of which, [EMAIL PROTECTED], is not linked from www.euglug.org, and maybe not archived at all), and I'm really unhappy that while RMS is a

[EUG-LUG:1384] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Bob Miller
Rob Hudson wrote: Other than the disadvantage of choosing a platform in the minority, what's the reason to choose a GPLd platform? Or, why NOT choose *BSD? Technical reasons: many and varied, and they point in both directions. I'm not prepared to go there, but I'll mention that I have boxes

[EUG-LUG:1385] Re: list EUG-LUG: List Message Rejected (fwd)

2002-02-01 Thread Bob Miller
Mark Bigler wrote: I haven't heard of anyone proposing GNU/OpenBSD (no glibc, no bash, no..., well maybe the compiler tool chain). There's a fair amount of GNU stuff in OpenBSD... obsd ~ ls /usr/src/gnu/* /usr/src/gnu/CVS: Entries Repository Root /usr/src/gnu/Makefile

[EUG-LUG:1387] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread justin bengtson
--- Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin, so... It may be a simple cableing issue for you... You can plug your cable modem into the switch/hub, then the rest of the computers into the swtich/hub. You could also connect the cable modem into the firwall box, add a nic, and connect

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2002-02-01 Thread Doug Mason
signoff EUG-LUG

[EUG-LUG:1389] Re: .efn.org

2002-02-01 Thread Mark Bigler
On Friday 01 February 2002 13:05, Doug Mason wrote: signoff EUG-LUG If people are starting to drop this list due to the recent traffic on GNU/Linux. Maybe we _should_ move this over to activism. If someone (kbob?) can copy the threads over there, we can use that as the signal to hold the

[EUG-LUG:1390] Re: Now: The Way Things Ought To Be

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
Yes. We Should not Rush to change things just because its The Way Things Ought To Be. Jamie Maybe we should consult with Wilford Brimley about this? Jamie

[EUG-LUG:1391] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Kahli R. Burke
justin bengtson wrote: the real dilema, and what i can't puzzle out and/or visualize, is how to route to a dynamic IP. especially when i only have one NIC in the router. setting up a gateway is simple (for me) when all of the IP's are static and i have two NICs. i need to route inside traffic

[EUG-LUG:1392] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
I would suggest just getting another nic, but you also have the option of setting up the gateway/firewall box with one nic. The boss just walked in and so Ill mention that I could sell you a firewall box I have a nice 486 66 mhz slim desktop I could sell cheap... throw a couple

[EUG-LUG:1393] Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Rob Hudson
LinuxJournal just did an article on how to convert an old laptop into a linux based wireless access point. How much do you want for the laptop? All you need is a PCMCIA network card, and a PCMCIA wireless card and your set. -Rob On 20020201.1416, Linux Rocks! said ... On a side note, I

[EUG-LUG:1394] Re:

2002-02-01 Thread Doug Mason
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[EUG-LUG:1395] Re:

2002-02-01 Thread Edward Craig
Read carefully. Do not reply Send the below command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not include 's On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Doug Mason wrote: --- Unsubscribe EUG-LUG -- Ed Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Taxi (I need an income)

[EUG-LUG:1396] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT OF SPECIAL EVENT: OpenACS Socialwill start around 6:00 PM or 7:00 PM on Tuesday Feb 5, 2002.

2002-02-01 Thread David Mandel
They seem to have forgotten this in their posting. However, burried in their web page I found: The social will start around 6 or 7 PM and will be held at the Lucky Labrador Brewing Company (http://www.luckylab.com) On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jamie Jackson wrote: Maybe this is a newbie

[EUG-LUG:1399] Re: now: FS: computer/parts was: Re: iptables help

2002-02-01 Thread Linux Rocks !
I actually am in posession of several laptops, but the only one I can sell is: 486 cpu (25mhz I think..) 4 megs ram 1 meg video 120 meg hard disk built in 2400 faxmodem monochrome VGA (640x480) has dos/windows 3.1 installed has basic internet apps installed (mail, web, ...) comes with external

[EUG-LUG:1400] Re:

2002-02-01 Thread Edward Craig
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Doug Mason wrote: thanks, it isn't anything personal, Good to know, given the occasional flame wars it is just that 7/8ths or so of the e-mails are way over my head. We don't mean to intimidate anyone, though. Most of what we're about is answering

[EUG-LUG:1401] Re: Linux Links

2002-02-01 Thread Jim K
Actually these were just the tip of the iceberg which I saw in one place, and I thought I* would send to the list since I hadn't seen a listing on the list for 6 monyhs or so, I figured we have some new people reading the list since then and they would like a starting place. With these and the

[EUG-LUG:1402] Re: .efn.org

2002-02-01 Thread Jim K
Why not just call it (*nix|AIX|*BSD|*bsd) . That should keep everybody happy. RMS will this satisfy you. Jim K - Original Message - From: Mark Bigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [EUG-LUG:1389] Re: .efn.org On Friday 01