Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Hi, I was thinking the hardware would consist of: coincidently, Dodge Aries for, what, $500.00? Is it an automatic? A high end GPS for say $750.00 to $1000.00. A cheap GPS will keep the car on or near the road. A high end GPS might keep in the correct lane. Remote control gear for start, stop, steering. $500.00 A Linux powered computer $1500.00. Don't think cheap. Access to MapQuest, Priceless. It's my turn to Hmmm...Maybe Jammie is right. There will also need to be a video system to detect pedestrian, stop lights, stop signs, cross traffic, etc. $ A collision avoidance system. They come as a kit now. $$$ Once the car refuses to hit a wall inspite of your most valiant efforts, then there will be tons of hours programming it to get from here to anywhere, including L.V. I didn't read the rules but if you can't tell the car to stop for gas, then make it solar powered, use fuel cells or follow it with a gas truck. (Pull a 500 gallon gas tank on a trailer?) Cheers. Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Hmmm... well.. I hope your not making plans with that million bucks.. The rules state several instances that no award will be made. including an unspecified time limit. in otherwords, even if your not the first to cross the finishline, you still may not win. Its a pretty stiff challenge too.. consider how much money NASA has spent on the mars lander, and even its not completely autonomous(sp?) How about this design ideas One very long vehicle that streaches from LA to LV? a humongus sphere (large enough to roll over any obstacle/crevace that guides itself towards a homing beakon? Some how I think bobs estimate is a bit low... Just making a vehicle that can travel that much distance w/out refueling will be a task, and remeber its a race! On a side note... I have a 1985 Dodge Aries I was planning on selling cheap (just to get some cash) If anybody comes up with a really good idea requiring a 1985 Dodge Aries we could use it! (note Ideas must come before I sell it) Jamie On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:10 pm, Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: : http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ : : while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main : DARPA page and found this: : : http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm : : The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars! : : ~beaker : : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Voice 541-689-9159 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Wait a minute. You want to avoid pedestrians? Cyclists maybe but pedestrians?!! I'm sure the majority of entries are going to be solar powered unless that's out of the rule books. We are talking LA to LV here. Lots and lots of sunshine. --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Access to MapQuest, Priceless. It's my turn to Hmmm...Maybe Jammie is right. There will also need to be a video system to detect pedestrian, stop lights, stop signs, cross traffic, etc. $ A collision avoidance system. They come as a kit now. $$$ Once the car refuses to hit a wall inspite of your most valiant efforts, then there will be tons of hours programming it to get from here to anywhere, including L.V. I didn't read the rules but if you can't tell the car to stop for gas, then make it solar powered, use fuel cells or follow it with a gas truck. (Pull a 500 gallon gas tank on a trailer?) Cheers. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
It is an automatic! The car is the cheapest part! (I was going to sell it for $300 (+repairs needed if any...) Ive used/programmed vision systems for pick and place machines, its pretty easy actually. Part of the trip is off road though... the vehicle is front wheel drive, but its not an off road vehicle really... not the best clearance, not super rugged, ... I can honestly do anything I want with this vehicle... if people are really serious about this.. we could use it, however... its 17 years old... you never know whats going to break! I do however need the driveway space (and could use the money for xmas gifts and stuff...) So... If we have enough seriously interested people that really want to do this... Ill donate it to the cause. On Friday 06 December 2002 08:01 am, Bob Crandell wrote: : Hi, : : I was thinking the hardware would consist of: : coincidently, Dodge Aries for, what, $500.00? Is it an automatic? : A high end GPS for say $750.00 to $1000.00. A cheap GPS will keep the car : on or near the road. A high end GPS might keep in the correct lane. : Remote control gear for start, stop, steering. $500.00 : A Linux powered computer $1500.00. Don't think cheap. : Access to MapQuest, Priceless. : : It's my turn to Hmmm...Maybe Jammie is right. : There will also need to be a video system to detect pedestrian, stop : lights, stop signs, cross traffic, etc. $ : A collision avoidance system. They come as a kit now. $$$ : : Once the car refuses to hit a wall inspite of your most valiant efforts, : then there will be tons of hours programming it to get from here to : anywhere, including L.V. I didn't read the rules but if you can't tell the : car to stop for gas, then make it solar powered, use fuel cells or follow : it with a gas truck. (Pull a 500 gallon gas tank on a trailer?) : : Cheers. : : Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: : : : Hmmm... well.. I hope your not making plans with that million bucks.. The : : rules state several instances that no award will be made. including an : unspecified time limit. in otherwords, even if your not the first to cross : the finishline, you still may not win. : : Its a pretty stiff challenge too.. consider how much money NASA has spent : on : : the mars lander, and even its not completely autonomous(sp?) : : How about this design ideas : : One very long vehicle that streaches from LA to LV? : a humongus sphere (large enough to roll over any obstacle/crevace that : guides itself towards a homing beakon? : : Some how I think bobs estimate is a bit low... Just making a vehicle that : can : : travel that much distance w/out refueling will be a task, and remeber its : a race! : On a side note... I have a 1985 Dodge Aries I was planning on selling : cheap (just to get some cash) If anybody comes up with a really good idea : requiring a 1985 Dodge Aries we could use it! (note Ideas must come : before I sell it) : : Jamie : : On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:10 pm, Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: : : http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ : : : : while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main : : DARPA page and found this: : : : : http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm : : : : The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars! : : : : ~beaker : : : : ___ : : Eug-LUG mailing list : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
If there are any pedestrians, or cycleists out in the middle of the hot dry desert the probably need to be run over! (however... we will need a lizard detection/avoidance system!) Jamie On Friday 06 December 2002 08:17 am, Mike O wrote: : Wait a minute. You want to avoid pedestrians? Cyclists : maybe but pedestrians?!! I'm sure the majority of : entries are going to be solar powered unless that's : out of the rule books. We are talking LA to LV here. : Lots and lots of sunshine. : : --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Access to MapQuest, Priceless. : : It's my turn to Hmmm...Maybe Jammie is right. : There will also need to be a video system to detect : pedestrian, stop lights, stop : signs, cross traffic, etc. $ : A collision avoidance system. They come as a kit : now. $$$ : : Once the car refuses to hit a wall inspite of your : most valiant efforts, then there : will be tons of hours programming it to get from : here to anywhere, including L.V. : I didn't read the rules but if you can't tell the : car to stop for gas, then make it : solar powered, use fuel cells or follow it with a : gas truck. (Pull a 500 gallon gas : tank on a trailer?) : : Cheers. : : __ : Do you Yahoo!? : Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. : http://mailplus.yahoo.com : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
The race is to be run at night. Mike O ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Wait a minute. You want to avoid pedestrians? Cyclists maybe but pedestrians?!! I'm sure the majority of entries are going to be solar powered unless that's out of the rule books. We are talking LA to LV here. Lots and lots of sunshine. --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Access to MapQuest, Priceless. It's my turn to Hmmm...Maybe Jammie is right. There will also need to be a video system to detect pedestrian, stop lights, stop signs, cross traffic, etc. $ A collision avoidance system. They come as a kit now. $$$ Once the car refuses to hit a wall inspite of your most valiant efforts, then there will be tons of hours programming it to get from here to anywhere, including L.V. I didn't read the rules but if you can't tell the car to stop for gas, then make it solar powered, use fuel cells or follow it with a gas truck. (Pull a 500 gallon gas tank on a trailer?) Cheers. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Voice 541-689-9159 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
The course description says that its navigable by a (4x4?)pickup truck, but the vehicle must operate autonomously and - I think - without pit-stops for refueling, etc. The fuel with the highest energy density thats readily available is diesel AFAIK. Any publicly available signals are allowed, so GPS, Mapquest, etc. are all possible tools but CIA spy satellites aren't / ~Beaker The race is to be run at night. Mike O ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Wait a minute. You want to avoid pedestrians? Cyclists maybe but pedestrians?!! I'm sure the majority of entries are going to be solar powered unless that's out of the rule books. We are talking LA to LV here. Lots and lots of sunshine. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: The course description says that its navigable by a (4x4?)pickup truck, but the vehicle must operate autonomously and - I think - without pit-stops for refueling, etc. The fuel with the highest energy density thats readily available is diesel AFAIK. Any publicly available signals are allowed, so GPS, Mapquest, etc. are all possible tools but CIA spy satellites aren't / ~Beaker Opps - I should of checked the rules page - seems that refueling IS allowed (autonomously automatically at checkpoints) as is cleaning, however wireless internet communications apparently ISN'T - only GPS communications are allowed (see below). ~beaker --- from DARPA/grandchallenge site --- snip Only single independent, untethered ground vehicles are eligible. No sub-vehicles will be allowed. All computing and intelligence must be contained onboard. Apart from the emergency stop feature (see Safety), automatic communication with autonomous equipment at the checkpoints (see Checkpoints) and GPS signals, no external communication is allowed snip Checkpoint(s) A checkpoint is a required safety stop at a pre-defined location on the course. The chase vehicle occupants can be rotated or refreshed with no time penalty against the autonomous vehicle. The elapsed time for each vehicle will stop during the mandatory portion of a stop. In addition, an entry may be serviced autonomously (for example, refueled or cleaned). Any required autonomous servicing equipment must be placed at the checkpoint prior to the start of the race. The location of the checkpoint(s) will be provided well in advance of the race. snip ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Looks like the hardware costs are getting periously close to sky high. Too bad. It would a lot of fun. Beaker (aka Jeff W) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: The course description says that its navigable by a (4x4?)pickup truck, but the vehicle must operate autonomously and - I think - without pit-stops for refueling, etc. The fuel with the highest energy density thats readily available is diesel AFAIK. Any publicly available signals are allowed, so GPS, Mapquest, etc. are all possible tools but CIA spy satellites aren't / ~Beaker Opps - I should of checked the rules page - seems that refueling IS allowed (autonomously automatically at checkpoints) as is cleaning, however wireless internet communications apparently ISN'T - only GPS communications are allowed (see below). ~beaker --- from DARPA/grandchallenge site --- snip Only single independent, untethered ground vehicles are eligible. No sub-vehicles will be allowed. All computing and intelligence must be contained onboard. Apart from the emergency stop feature (see Safety), automatic communication with autonomous equipment at the checkpoints (see Checkpoints) and GPS signals, no external communication is allowed snip Checkpoint(s) A checkpoint is a required safety stop at a pre-defined location on the course. The chase vehicle occupants can be rotated or refreshed with no time penalty against the autonomous vehicle. The elapsed time for each vehicle will stop during the mandatory portion of a stop. In addition, an entry may be serviced autonomously (for example, refueled or cleaned). Any required autonomous servicing equipment must be placed at the checkpoint prior to the start of the race. The location of the checkpoint(s) will be provided well in advance of the race. snip ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Voice 541-689-9159 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Bob Crandell wrote: Looks like the hardware costs are getting periously close to sky high. Too bad. It would a lot of fun. Well, sponsors are allowed - know any deep pockets ? ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Sponsers, yes. About the time I hit the send button, it occured to me that what we really need is a good grant writer. I figure if we count time with a value of $0.00, we are still investing $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 in all the different technologies involved to accomplish this feat. Beaker (aka Jeff W) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Bob Crandell wrote: Looks like the hardware costs are getting periously close to sky high. Too bad. It would a lot of fun. Well, sponsors are allowed - know any deep pockets ? ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Voice 541-689-9159 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
That looks cool. Let's build one. It should only take a few thousand dollars in hardware, and a whole lot of hours. Beaker (aka Jeff W) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main DARPA page and found this: http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars! ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Voice 541-689-9159 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Hmmm... well.. I hope your not making plans with that million bucks.. The rules state several instances that no award will be made. including an unspecified time limit. in otherwords, even if your not the first to cross the finishline, you still may not win. Its a pretty stiff challenge too.. consider how much money NASA has spent on the mars lander, and even its not completely autonomous(sp?) How about this design ideas One very long vehicle that streaches from LA to LV? a humongus sphere (large enough to roll over any obstacle/crevace that guides itself towards a homing beakon? Some how I think bobs estimate is a bit low... Just making a vehicle that can travel that much distance w/out refueling will be a task, and remeber its a race! On a side note... I have a 1985 Dodge Aries I was planning on selling cheap (just to get some cash) If anybody comes up with a really good idea requiring a 1985 Dodge Aries we could use it! (note Ideas must come before I sell it) Jamie On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:10 pm, Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: : http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ : : while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main : DARPA page and found this: : : http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm : : The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars! : : ~beaker : : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- No microsoft products were used to produce this message. EUG-LUG Mailing List: http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
