Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/8/2000 5:28:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >This has a strange relevance to Europa, however. If life exists in the >Europan ocean, it's likely to be living in a low energy environment where >competition is unlikely to be widespread. Unlike most

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > It should be pointed out, however, that multicellular organisms never > evolved on Earth at all until the evolution of photosynthesis provided them > with a much more efficient energy supply -- so it still seems overwhelmingly > likely that all Europan life will be single

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > What in the world is a weta? Answered elsewhere; but a really big NZ bug. Can't kill you, though... the weta lives in NZ not Australia (Private joke) > More generally, in today's lower-oxygen environment, big bugs must be much > more sluggish, which puts them at

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... >This has a strange relevance to Europa, however. If life exist

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Jayme Blaschke wrote: > > >>>What in the world is a weta? > > Director Peter Jackson's Wellington-based SFX company. :-) > > Jayme Lynn Blaschke No great surprise... Jacko's a Kiwi (New Zealander); with a taste for cinema almost as ugly as the weta itself. The weta is a very large arthropod

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
>>>What in the world is a weta? Director Peter Jackson's Wellington-based SFX company. :-) Jayme Lynn Blaschke ___ *Cyclops in B Minor* by Jayme Lynn Blaschke now available from Mooncast Shadows http://www.exoticdeer.org/chapbook.html The Blaschke Home Realm http://www.vvm

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
>the reverse of this syndrome; & showed what happen when large >critters got trapped on small islands. Wrangell Island with its dwarf mammoths is another good example of this. Jayme Lynn Blaschke ___ *Cyclops in B Minor* by Jayme Lynn Blaschke now available from Mooncast

Re: Pioneer 10 Status Report for December 1, 2000

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
>The most likely scenario for the first true interstellar probes is that they will >hiberante during much of the journey & recharge using local solar power when they >arrive at their destination. Much simpler. Greg Bear uses this concept in his novel _Queen of Angels_. Quite impressive, if ver

Message in a Bottle

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/8/2000 8:27:57 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Alien Voyagers could be zipping past the solar system as we write. The fact we have a hard time finding objects (NEO's) 1km in diameter a few million miles of earth would indicate that locating a 3-4

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/8/2000 4:06:42 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Come on over to Jason Perry's "Jupiter List" and "ISSDG" discussion groups and you can see Clements and I tearing at each other and questioning each other's ancestry on a regular basis. It's wonderful

Re: "Life at the Limits of Physical Laws" talk at OSETI 3Conference

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
The thing is, if we're destroyed tomorrow, the likliehood of an alien race discovering the Voyagers, Pioneers, Mariners or whatever is on par with picking out a specific grain of sand on Earth, Mars, Venus and the Moon combined... and I suspect I'm being quite generous with the odds. Unless so

RE: "Life at the Limits of Physical Laws" talk at OSETI 3 Conference

2000-12-08 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 TS/CC
Alien Voyagers could be zipping past the solar system as we write. The fact we have a hard time finding objects (NEO's) 1km in diameter a few million miles of earth would indicate that locating a 3-4 meter silent spacecraft missing the solar system by billions of miles would indicate that its un

RE: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Evan James Dembskey
Thank you very much! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Bruce Moomaw > Sent: 08 December 2000 15:44 > To: Icepick Europa Mailing List > Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Evan Jame

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Evan James Dembskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: RE: On The Rise of Oxygen... >Bruce, > > >> Come on over to Jason Perry's "Jupiter List" and "ISSDG" discussion groups >> and you

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:43 AM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >Bruce Moomaw wrote: >> >> While I didn't know that the huge

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >I gotta say, Robert, reading your posts brought grim glee to my day. We >missed you, our giant gadf

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
I gotta say, Robert, reading your posts brought grim glee to my day. We missed you, our giant gadfly! -- JHB == You are subscribed to the Europa Icepick mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project information and list (un)subscribe info: http://klx.com/europa/

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > While I didn't know that the huge dragonflies held on into the early > Mesozoic, Clements' explanation has a big problem: why didn't the equally > huge crawling bugs of the Carboniferous Era hold on? They didn't have the > clumsy-flight disadvantage of those huge dragonf

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> f) here's a somewh

Re: Mining the Asteroids

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Larry Klaes wrote: > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:47:28 +0100 (CET) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: