[EuroPython] Incorrect charset for the Europython mailing list

2014-04-15 Thread Laura Creighton
The EP mailing list is configured so that it has: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" while the footer has: EuroPython 2014 \x96 Berlin, 21th\x9627th July Notice the two \x96 characters. The intent is almost certainly to have those interpreted in the windows-1252 charset, where they me

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:26:59 +0200, Martijn Faassen writes: >* Considering whether we want a self-selected democracy for anonymously >selecting talks based on individual merits, or whether we want to >involve other methods too. Say a smaller group of people that looks at >the overal

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
On 04/15/2014 11:06 PM, Armin Rigo wrote: > In this case, woman > participation is going slowly up year after year. I certainly think > (and hope!) that it's not just because of favorable discrimination; > instead, it is most probably just a slow process of natural regulation > that occurs insid

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Daniel Kraft
Nelle, > As a member of a "minority ", I feel very uncomfortable with such quotas, and > if you ask women in computer science around Europe, they tend to feel the > same way (this may be very different in North America, as we have two very > different cultures when coming to these subject). I want

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 04/15/2014 10:33 PM, Horst Gutmann wrote: > Every conference I've attended so far had at least on or two time > slots each day where none of the talks appealed to me and so I went > to explore the city or just got some sleep at the hotel. This way the > event stayed fresh and exciting to

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Amirouche Boubekki
2014-04-15 22:23 GMT+02:00 Nelle Varoquaux : > > On Apr 15, 2014 3:25 PM, "Roberto Polli" wrote: > > > > Hi @all, > > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 02:28:50 Lynn Root wrote: > > > For those of you who do not know me.. > > Everybody.py knows you, Lynn! > > > > > - talk selection was/is being done b

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Hynek Schlawack
On 15 Apr 2014, at 16:23, Nelle Varoquaux wrote: Not entirely fair, even for ladies awaiting for the final schedule. I agree instead to set gender quotas (eg. 40% minimum for the less-represented gender). But imho rules should be set *before* the review process. As a member of a "minority ", I

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi all, hi Nelle, On 15 April 2014 22:23, Nelle Varoquaux wrote: > As a member of a "minority ", I feel very uncomfortable with such quotas, > and if you ask women in computer science around Europe, they tend to feel > the same way (this may be very different in North America, as we have two > ve

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Horst Gutmann
> On 15.04.2014, at 15:58, Martijn Faassen wrote: > >> On 04/15/2014 08:56 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> I think it is neither the right place > > Oh, sorry, what is the right mailing list to bring this up? > >> nor the right way > > You don't want feedback with constructive intent? > >> nor t

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Horst Gutmann
Hi Martjin, I definitely see where you're coming from having had the same reaction at first when I saw the schedule for the first Europython in Florence a couple of years back. For me personally, though, the idea of making your own conference worked really well in the end. Every conference I'v

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Nelle Varoquaux
On Apr 15, 2014 3:25 PM, "Roberto Polli" wrote: > > Hi @all, > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 02:28:50 Lynn Root wrote: > > For those of you who do not know me.. > Everybody.py knows you, Lynn! > > > - talk selection was/is being done blindly, as in no identifying > > information about the speaker is

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
On 04/15/2014 08:56 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: I think it is neither the right place Oh, sorry, what is the right mailing list to bring this up? nor the right way You don't want feedback with constructive intent? nor the right time to discuss Should I have brought it up earlier or later? W

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Steve Barnes
On 15/04/14 20:48, Andreas Jung wrote: You will not reach _all_ different stakeholders through this list. An open-space at the conference, a public survey at the conference …something like that would be representative…but peace (but there was no war) :-) Andreas Am 15.04.2014 um 15:46 schrieb r

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Andreas Jung
You will not reach _all_ different stakeholders through this list. An open-space at the conference, a public survey at the conference …something like that would be representative…but peace (but there was no war) :-) Andreas Am 15.04.2014 um 15:46 schrieb roberto.polli : > Right time to discuss:

[EuroPython] R: Re: conference length

2014-04-15 Thread roberto.polli
Right time to discuss: no.  Right Place to discuss: probably yes.  Enough said for me, people. Peace.  R Inviato da Samsung Mobile Messaggio originale Da: Andreas Jung Data:15/04/2014 20:56 (GMT+01:00) A: Jan Murre Cc: europython@python.org Oggetto: Re: [EuroPython] c

[EuroPython] R: conference length

2014-04-15 Thread roberto.polli
Sorry but mobile forces top posting and laconic mode.  Martijn suggests shorter conferences.  I think that one week is fine: the last 2 EPs were a perfect mix of tech and social event.  To foster Python community we need not just a guru conference, but a place to share and meet the diverse use

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Andreas Jung
I think it is neither the right place nor the right way nor the right time to discuss what the reasonable length of a conference is. There are geeks that want to spend a lot of time at the conference with talks and sprints, there are people that are only interested in the talk but in sprints, ther

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Jan Murre
+1 for going back to the original 3-day length of the conference, not to criticize the organisation, it's just my personal preference. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I thought I'd give my preferences for conference length in the future. > It's just my po

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Andreas Jung
Hi Stefan, we got your message and it has been noticed. Some people of the orga team have been busy at the PyCon in Montreal and/or are still traveling. Andreas Am 15.04.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Stefan Scherfke : > > Am 2014-04-15 um 15:07 schrieb Hynek Schlawack : > >> - Having speakers have 3

Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython Digest, Vol 115, Issue 4

2014-04-15 Thread Julia S.S.
Totally agree with martjin, adding up that also having a conference that long makes it more expensive and some people will be discouraged to go. El 15/04/2014 15:40, escribió: > Send EuroPython mailing list submissions to > europython@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the Wor

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Stefan Scherfke
Am 2014-04-15 um 15:07 schrieb Hynek Schlawack : > - Having speakers have 3 slots is ridiculous, 2 should be a very rare > exception. So ask them which talk is more important and there you have some > free slots. I wrote an email to the EP help desk a few days ago and offered to withdraw one

[EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, I thought I'd give my preferences for conference length in the future. It's just my point of view, but I had it for a while now, and I figure I'd better share it to be more constructive. For some years, EuroPython was 3 days of conference, with perhaps 3 or 4 parallel tracks with t

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 04/15/2014 03:07 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote: > - And finally walking the walk: my talk is still in the queue and I will > happily retract my proposal if it helps to have a more diverse > conference. Good point. My talk is also in the queue. I don't know whether it's rejected or not. If

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Roberto Polli
Hi @all, On Tuesday 15 April 2014 02:28:50 Lynn Root wrote: > For those of you who do not know me.. Everybody.py knows you, Lynn! > - talk selection was/is being done blindly, as in no identifying > information about the speaker is revealed > -#2 there are very little women on that preliminary t

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
If it helps, I'd happily free up this slot in the selected talks list (https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/event/schedule/): 43 - Embedded Devices - Marc-Andre Lemburg - Home Automation with Kivy, Raspberry Pi and MQTT and perhaps do the talk as open space session, if there's interest. BTW: This ta

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Hynek Schlawack
On 15 Apr 2014, at 8:37, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: Yes! On 15/04/14 10:28, Lynn Root wrote: - limit speakers to only give one talk. +1 Perhaps too late for this year, but I wish this were the case for every conference. First of all I’m glad that after the troubling discussion st

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 15.04.2014 14:32, Andreas Jung pisze: At least for the last EuroPython in Florence you could vote for talks (can not recall if you could see the speaker and its gender) you could see speakers data in EP2013 - did it make a huge difference? The question is how many talks conducted by

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes! On 15/04/14 10:28, Lynn Root wrote: > - limit speakers to only give one talk. +1 Perhaps too late for this year, but I wish this were the case for every conference. N. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Co

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 15.04.2014 um 08:20 schrieb Radomir Dopieralski : > > > There is also the fact, that blind review doesn't really work so well, > if the talk submitters know some of the reviewers, and can ask them for > voting on them (or even without asking, when the reviewers know the > topics of the talks

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 04/15/2014 02:14 PM, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > On 04/15/2014 02:11 PM, Simon Cross wrote: >> Greetings >> >> Is it possible to get some demographics on authors who submitted talks >> vs authors of accepted talks? It would be good to know whether the >> blind selection process functioned as in

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 04/15/2014 02:11 PM, Simon Cross wrote: > Greetings > > Is it possible to get some demographics on authors who submitted talks > vs authors of accepted talks? It would be good to know whether the > blind selection process functioned as intended (i.e. the demographics > of the two are statistica

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Simon Cross
Greetings Is it possible to get some demographics on authors who submitted talks vs authors of accepted talks? It would be good to know whether the blind selection process functioned as intended (i.e. the demographics of the two are statistically similar) or not. The answer probably won't help us

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Daniel Kraft
Absolute ack! - Ursprüngliche Mail - > To the EuroPython organizers, talk reviewers, and community at large, > > For those of you who do not know me, I am a board member of the Python > Software Foundation, the founder and leader of PyLadies San Francisco, > and an engineer at Spotify. I

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Markus Zapke-Gründemann
Lynn Root schrieb: > To the EuroPython organizers, talk reviewers, and community at large, > > For those of you who do not know me, I am a board member of the Python > Software Foundation, the founder and leader of PyLadies San Francisco, > and an engineer at Spotify. I have been a speaker at the

[EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-15 Thread Lynn Root
To the EuroPython organizers, talk reviewers, and community at large, For those of you who do not know me, I am a board member of the Python Software Foundation, the founder and leader of PyLadies San Francisco, and an engineer at Spotify. I have been a speaker at the last two EuroPythons, with 3