Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 17.04.2014 14:04, John Pinner wrote: > Filip, > > On 17 April 2014 12:39, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: >> W dniu 17.04.2014 10:55, carina.ha...@dlr.de pisze: >> > > >> I see financial aid as a similar method (to make attendees more diverse in >> terms of their wealth status or "geographical penalty

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 17.04.2014 15:23, M.-A. Lemburg pisze: We had wanted to make the Berlin proposal public sooner than that, but we had wanted to put up an updated proposal after the venue changes compared to their original proposal. We never received an updated proposal, so then eventually went live with t

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Dinu Gherman
Hi all, I appreciate the recent vivid discussions on this list around important topics like diversity. Many interesting opinions have been given about how to improve the EuroPython conference experience to an even wider target group and make it more balanced along multiple vectors. Some seemed

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 17.04.2014 14:36, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hey, > > On 04/17/2014 01:24 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> In short, we'll have the EPS run the conference, with international >> work groups doing the work that can be done remotely and the local team >> providing on-site support. This will resolve the

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 17.04.2014 14:29, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > W dniu 17.04.2014 13:41, M.-A. Lemburg pisze: >> Filip, >> >> all this is documented on the CFP pages for the years 2011, 2013 and >> 2014: >> >> http://www.europython-society.org/cfp > > Yes, I've wrote in one of previous mails that this is now public,

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 17.04.2014 13:59, M.-A. Lemburg pisze: Unfortunately, we did not have much choice in recent selections, with only a single submitted proposal. It would be good to tell a bit more what caused that others didn't submit proposals. Well if someone is interested how things looked here is

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 04/17/2014 01:24 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: In short, we'll have the EPS run the conference, with international work groups doing the work that can be done remotely and the local team providing on-site support. This will resolve the problem of losing institutional knowledge every time we c

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 17.04.2014 13:41, M.-A. Lemburg pisze: Filip, all this is documented on the CFP pages for the years 2011, 2013 and 2014: http://www.europython-society.org/cfp Yes, I've wrote in one of previous mails that this is now public, where was it year ago in July? Also: Please stop bringing

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread John Pinner
Filip, On 17 April 2014 12:39, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > W dniu 17.04.2014 10:55, carina.ha...@dlr.de pisze: > > I see financial aid as a similar method (to make attendees more diverse in > terms of their wealth status or "geographical penalty"). But I think the > better solution is to just work

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 16.04.2014 15:34, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė wrote: > As far as I remember (and it's been a while) there was a lack of proposals > in general at least in the beginning. So whoever was serious about > organising EP could do it. > Has this changed over the past years and is there any reason to

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 17.04.2014 um 07:39 schrieb Filip Kłębczyk : > > > I see financial aid as a similar method (to make attendees more diverse in > terms of their wealth status or "geographical penalty"). But I think the > better solution is to just work on lowering costs of the event (I think the > biggest

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Filip, all this is documented on the CFP pages for the years 2011, 2013 and 2014: http://www.europython-society.org/cfp Also: Please stop bringing up or implying false accusations. You are doing yourself and everyone on this mailing list a disservice. FWIW: As I've written in a separate email o

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 17.04.2014 10:55, carina.ha...@dlr.de pisze: I hope I therewith could clarify that we already address the problem and do not start a big discussion about financial aid. ;) I think we all can agree that financial aid is a positive tool to make more diverse conference in terms of wealth

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 17.04.2014 07:18, Steve Barnes wrote: > On 16/04/14 18:22, Troy Howard wrote: >> I recently organized a conference in Budapest (Write The Docs EU). I can >> confirm that it's a great >> city to hold a conference in. Cheap lodging/food, lots of fun local culture >> outside of the >> conference,

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 21:39, Andreas Jung pisze: Am 16.04.2014 um 09:52 schrieb Filip Kłębczyk : W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: The selection process has been always open afaik. Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 hosting? Where are the criteri

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Carina.Haupt
Hi, even if I respond to an older mail, I wanted to address some questions here. > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: EuroPython [mailto:europython- > bounces+carina.haupt=dlr...@python.org] Im Auftrag von Filip Klebczyk > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. April 2014 11:56 > An: europython lists > Be

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 17.04.2014 09:45, Javier Gonel pisze: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Filip Kłębczyk mailto:fklebc...@gmail.com>> wrote: W dniu 16.04.2014 16:16, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and pointing finger

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-17 Thread Javier Gonel
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > W dniu 16.04.2014 16:16, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: > > Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and >> pointing fingers. My email clearly said - in the begining. >> What is your point with all this, pleas

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Steve Barnes
On 16/04/14 18:22, Troy Howard wrote: I recently organized a conference in Budapest (Write The Docs EU). I can confirm that it's a great city to hold a conference in. Cheap lodging/food, lots of fun local culture outside of the conference, and easy to get to from all over Europe. Also, I felt s

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 09:52 schrieb Filip Kłębczyk : > W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: >> The selection process has been always open afaik. > > Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 > hosting? Where are the criteria that decided German proposal was bett

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Troy Howard
I recently organized a conference in Budapest (Write The Docs EU). I can confirm that it's a great city to hold a conference in. Cheap lodging/food, lots of fun local culture outside of the conference, and easy to get to from all over Europe. Also, I felt safe and welcomed there as a native English

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 16:16, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and pointing fingers. My email clearly said - in the begining. What is your point with all this, please tell. The topic was about future EuroPythons and that maybe more

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė
Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and pointing fingers. My email clearly said - in the begining. What is your point with all this, please tell. On 16 Apr 2014 16:59, "Filip Kłębczyk" wrote: > W dniu 16.04.2014 15:34, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: > >> As far

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 15:34, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: As far as I remember (and it's been a while) there was a lack of proposals in general at least in the beginning. Then read this mail: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2013-January/008195.html Learn a bit how process was

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: The selection process has been always open afaik. Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 hosting? Where are the criteria that decided German proposal was better than the one from Belgium. In my opinion process is no

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė
As far as I remember (and it's been a while) there was a lack of proposals in general at least in the beginning. So whoever was serious about organising EP could do it. Has this changed over the past years and is there any reason to believe that proposals are being approved or rejected according t

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 08:27 schrieb Martijn Faassen : > Hey, > > On 04/16/2014 11:56 AM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > > Having in mind that there is gap disproportion between wealth level of > > Western and Eastern Europe I'm curious if EPS or anybody feeling > > responsible for EuroPython thinks about ad

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 04/16/2014 11:56 AM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > Having in mind that there is gap disproportion between wealth level of > Western and Eastern Europe I'm curious if EPS or anybody feeling > responsible for EuroPython thinks about addressing that problem in future? You're suggesting active o

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 06:41 schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey : > > > I was wondering the same. Diversity in a cultural and geographic sense > is important. Especially in such a cosmopolitan & multicultural place > like Europe. > Diversity (where women are one part of the medal) is a process and can n

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/04/14 11:43, Andreas Jung wrote: > > Am 16.04.2014 um 06:41 schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey > : > >> >> >> I was wondering the same. Diversity in a cultural and geographic >> sense is important. Especially in such a cosmopolitan & >> multicultur

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/04/14 10:56, Filip K??bczyk wrote: > Hello, > > I have two points: 1. I'm curious what are stats regarding > nationality/country of attendees. 2. I've noticed that together > with this year edition there are 13 EuroPythons, where: * 2 of them >