Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)

2014-02-01 Thread Steve Barnes
On 31/01/14 22:23, Paul Boddie wrote: On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for t

Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)

2014-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Barnes wrote: > On 31/01/14 22:23, Paul Boddie wrote: >> On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: >>> I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. >>> >>> Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this >>> conf

Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)

2014-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > > > Steve Barnes wrote: >> On 31/01/14 22:23, Paul Boddie wrote: >>> On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are i

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Michael
400? Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was ridiculously expensive (when you factor everything in). Unless when you say 'all inclusive' you mean 'including accommodation'. I presume the increased costs are at least in part due to the slow shift towards peak holiday seas

Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 08.03.35 Andreas wrote: > Paul Boddie wrote: > > > > Back in 2007, the exceptional conference was RuPy which offered > > incredibly cheap rates for students, and I think we were all aware > > that EuroPython was going to look expensive in comparison and might > > end u

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread John Pinner
Hello All, On 1 February 2014 11:59, Michael wrote: > 400? > > Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was > ridiculously expensive (when you factor everything in). > > Unless when you say 'all inclusive' you mean 'including accommodation'. > > I presume the increased costs a

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gillies wrote: > I agree completely with Michael, I haven't been able to attend since > the Birmingham conferences either due to the expense involved. I think it is the common process of conferences become more expensive as soon as they becom

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 17.10.35 Andreas Jung wrote: > I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in a > huge barn and tell them to bring their own beer and burgers..well, perhaps > an option :-) Switch out the burgers with sausages and I was led to believe that th

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread David Gillies
I agree completely with Michael, I haven't been able to attend since the Birmingham conferences either due to the expense involved. David On 1 February 2014 11:59, Michael wrote: > 400? > > Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was > ridiculously expensive (when you facto

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Jacob Hallén
I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I think the most interesting people to meet at the conferences in general have a limited budget. The come to the conference on their own tab to tell the world about the cool things they are doing in their spare time. We used to

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Achim Herwig
Am Samstag, 1. Februar 2014, 17:42:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: > On Saturday 1. February 2014 17.10.35 Andreas Jung wrote: > > I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in > > a > > huge barn and tell them to bring their own beer and burgers..well, perhaps > > an option :-)

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. Keeping it artificially small just makes it either less interesting or simply elitist. EP is one of the cheapest confe

Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)

2014-02-01 Thread Stefanie Lück
I think it is difficult to fit all needs and wishes (quantity, quality and costs). One major advantage of the PyConDE for me was, that the tutorials and talks were on different days. Because of this, I did not spent to many holidays and the costs for accommodation was much lower. Perhaps you might

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 19.15.54 Hynek Schlawack wrote: > > I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. > > I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* > explicitly European Python conference. That just isn't true. Take a look at http://www.pyco

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Danilo
Hi all Am Sa, 1. Feb 2014, um 20:36, schrieb Paul Boddie: > There are, of course, big European community > conferences that seem to manage this, and maybe > their expertise can be drawn upon to > do the same for a Python-specific event. The 30th Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg (https://en

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. That just isn't true. Take a look at http://www.pycon.org/ to see several E

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 20.38.07 Danilo wrote: > > Am Sa, 1. Feb 2014, um 20:36, schrieb Paul Boddie: > > There are, of course, big European community > > conferences that seem to manage this, and maybe > > their expertise can be drawn upon to > > do the same for a Python-specific event. > >

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread John Pinner
Hello, On 1 February 2014 17:10, Achim Herwig wrote: > Am Samstag, 1. Februar 2014, 17:42:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: >> On Saturday 1. February 2014 17.10.35 Andreas Jung wrote: >> > I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in >> > a >> > huge barn and tell them to brin

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 21.24.02 Hynek Schlawack wrote: > On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: > >>> I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. > >> > >> I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* > >> explicitly European Python conferen

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread John Pinner
Hello, On 1 February 2014 22:43, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Saturday 1. February 2014 21.24.02 Hynek Schlawack wrote: >> On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: >> It certainly is for a particular conference (EP in this case). Nobody >> is arguing that *every* conference should aspire to gro

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
No, I was just saying that you seem to be exactly the kind of person the EuroPython Society is looking for to organise the kind of large-scale event that you'd like to see in Europe that is neither "regional" nor "sciency". The classic Free Software mantra : if you don't like it, fix it, less p

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 2. February 2014 00.39.15 Hynek Schlawack wrote: > > It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for > their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about > a conference in 2007 isn’t helping, that it’s great to have at least > one big European Py

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
>> It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for >> their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about >> a conference in 2007 isn’t helping, that it’s great to have at least >> one big European Python conference, they are hard to do, and to the end: >>