Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-03 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Il giorno 03/feb/2014, alle ore 12:50, John Pinner funth...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hello, On 3 February 2014 02:43, Giovanni Bajo giova...@pycon.it wrote: Il giorno 01/feb/2014, alle ore 12:59, Michael spark...@gmail.com ha scritto: 400? Christ on a bike, europython used to be

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread John Pinner
Hello Paul, On 2 February 2014 14:24, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote: On Sunday 2. February 2014 02.09.04 Hynek Schlawack wrote: It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about a conference

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Pinner wrote: Well, without accusing any organisation of anything, I think the so-called community as a whole should re-evaluate how it treats people who offer their time and resources to benefit everyone else. Yes. And I have no

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On 2. Feb2014, at 17:49, John Pinner funth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. And I have no knowledge nor experience of the EPS treating its volunteers badly, which I think was what started this thread : a slightly emotional post from Christian based not on first-hand experience, but on hearsay.

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread Stephan Diehl
Hi John, On 02/01/2014 10:52 PM, John Pinner wrote: Hello, [...] If I can be assured of getting Maisels Weisbier mit Hefe, and Sclenkerla Rauchbier in Berlin near the conference venue, I'll consider the 2014 EuroPython fees reasonable ;-) that shouldn't be the least of your problems. Your

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread John Pinner
Hello, On 2 February 2014 19:53, Stephan Diehl step...@transvection.de wrote: Hi John, On 02/01/2014 10:52 PM, John Pinner wrote: Hello, [...] If I can be assured of getting Maisels Weisbier mit Hefe, and Sclenkerla Rauchbier in Berlin near the conference venue, I'll consider the 2014

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-02 Thread Michael
You might not call it ridiculously expensive. For me it was/is and I'm sorry that you don't like that, and if you want to go back and forth on this, I'll unsubscribe from the list (I probably should given it's now out my price range actually). You clearly have a higher disposable income than me -

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Michael
400? Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was ridiculously expensive (when you factor everything in). Unless when you say 'all inclusive' you mean 'including accommodation'. I presume the increased costs are at least in part due to the slow shift towards peak holiday

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread John Pinner
Hello All, On 1 February 2014 11:59, Michael spark...@gmail.com wrote: 400? Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was ridiculously expensive (when you factor everything in). Unless when you say 'all inclusive' you mean 'including accommodation'. I presume the

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gillies wrote: I agree completely with Michael, I haven't been able to attend since the Birmingham conferences either due to the expense involved. I think it is the common process of conferences become more expensive as soon as they become

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 17.10.35 Andreas Jung wrote: I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in a huge barn and tell them to bring their own beer and burgers..well, perhaps an option :-) Switch out the burgers with sausages and I was led to believe that this

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread David Gillies
I agree completely with Michael, I haven't been able to attend since the Birmingham conferences either due to the expense involved. David On 1 February 2014 11:59, Michael spark...@gmail.com wrote: 400? Christ on a bike, europython used to be affordable. Florence was ridiculously expensive

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Jacob Hallén
I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I think the most interesting people to meet at the conferences in general have a limited budget. The come to the conference on their own tab to tell the world about the cool things they are doing in their spare time. We used to

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Achim Herwig
Am Samstag, 1. Februar 2014, 17:42:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: On Saturday 1. February 2014 17.10.35 Andreas Jung wrote: I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in a huge barn and tell them to bring their own beer and burgers..well, perhaps an option :-)

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. Keeping it artificially small just makes it either less interesting or simply elitist. EP is one of the cheapest

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 19.15.54 Hynek Schlawack wrote: I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. That just isn't true. Take a look at

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Danilo
Hi all Am Sa, 1. Feb 2014, um 20:36, schrieb Paul Boddie: There are, of course, big European community conferences that seem to manage this, and maybe their expertise can be drawn upon to do the same for a Python-specific event. The 30th Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. That just isn't true. Take a look at http://www.pycon.org/ to see several

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 20.38.07 Danilo wrote: Am Sa, 1. Feb 2014, um 20:36, schrieb Paul Boddie: There are, of course, big European community conferences that seem to manage this, and maybe their expertise can be drawn upon to do the same for a Python-specific event. The 30th

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 1. February 2014 21.24.02 Hynek Schlawack wrote: On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: I'd actually rather cap the number of attendees than raise prices. I find this an unfortunate line of though; EuroPython is the *only* explicitly European Python conference. That

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread John Pinner
Hello, On 1 February 2014 22:43, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote: On Saturday 1. February 2014 21.24.02 Hynek Schlawack wrote: On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:36, Paul Boddie wrote: snips It certainly is for a particular conference (EP in this case). Nobody is arguing that *every* conference

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
No, I was just saying that you seem to be exactly the kind of person the EuroPython Society is looking for to organise the kind of large-scale event that you'd like to see in Europe that is neither regional nor sciency. The classic Free Software mantra : if you don't like it, fix it, less

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday 2. February 2014 00.39.15 Hynek Schlawack wrote: It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about a conference in 2007 isn’t helping, that it’s great to have at least one big European Python

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-02-01 Thread Hynek Schlawack
It’s quite the contrary: the current organizers were criticized for their current work they do and I tried to explain that romanticism about a conference in 2007 isn’t helping, that it’s great to have at least one big European Python conference, they are hard to do, and to the end: let them

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Markus Zapke-Gründemann
Christian Theune schrieb: not being part of the organizing team of EP 2014 but noticing how the EuroPython society works: I’d rather recommend everyone who thinks about organizing anything to stay miles away from the EPS for your own sanity. If anyone thinks about participating I’d

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Dinu Gherman
Hi Marc-André, this call comes as a little surprise to me. To my knowledge after EuroPython 2013 in Florence there was a call for proposals for 2014 and 2015, following a rule saying that it would be wise to reuse locally accumulated knowledge at least once. Berlin volunteered to organized

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Dinu Gherman
I wrote: PS: BTW, I'm making a wild guess here, but the EuroPython list signature just maybe should rather read 21th-27th July instead of 21th27th July. And to please the really nitpicking: 21st-27th July would be even better. Regards, Dinu ___

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Hi Dinu, as we mentioned in the email: we've *started work* on the call for participation. We'll have more information available when we announce the call :-) A lot of work still needs to be done, since we're aiming for a new model of organizing EuroPython conferences. Please have some patience.

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Jasper Paterson
Mailing List; europython-improve Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started Hi Marc-André, this call comes as a little surprise to me. To my knowledge after EuroPython 2013 in Florence there was a call for proposals for 2014 and 2015, following a rule

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 31. January 2014 09.20.28 Christian Theune wrote: I’m close friends with some of the EP 2014 organizers. Seeing them in such pain an despair caused by the EPS makes me feel so sad for our community. Many of the current organizers have a lot of experience in organizing a

[EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Jacob Hallén
I am writing this from the sidelines, since I am not actively participating in the EPS board work, though I am formally treasurer for the EPS. This has given me access to what is going on, but I don't have a deep emotional involvement in the ongoing discussions and negotiations. I'm still

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jacob Hallén wrote: In the Call for Participation that was the basis for the selection of a new site for Europython, there was a requirement for the cost of attendance. It turns out that the promised figures from the Berlin team can't be met

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Horst Gutmann
Hello Jacob :-) I'm currently part of the web team for the EP2014 and have attended EuroPython conferences for the last 4 years. I also helped on the web team for the last couple of PyCon.DE conferences. Thank you for these details from the EPS' point of view. They are much appreciated :-)

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Andreas Jung
I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for two or three day - are more expensive. Regards Andreas Jung - Sorry for being brief -

Re: [Europython-improve] [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Dinu Gherman
Hi Marc-André, this call comes as a little surprise to me. To my knowledge after EuroPython 2013 in Florence there was a call for proposals for 2014 and 2015, following a rule saying that it would be wise to reuse locally accumulated knowledge at least once. Berlin volunteered to organized

Re: [Europython-improve] [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Hi Dinu, as we mentioned in the email: we've *started work* on the call for participation. We'll have more information available when we announce the call :-) A lot of work still needs to be done, since we're aiming for a new model of organizing EuroPython conferences. Please have some patience.

Re: [Europython-improve] [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Alex Kavanagh
Of Dinu Gherman Sent: 31 January 2014 10:10 To: M.-A. Lemburg Cc: EuroPython Mailing List; europython-improve Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started Hi Marc-André, this call comes as a little surprise to me. To my knowledge after EuroPython

Re: [Europython-improve] [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-31 Thread Jasper Paterson
Mailing List; europython-improve Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started Hi Marc-André, this call comes as a little surprise to me. To my knowledge after EuroPython 2013 in Florence there was a call for proposals for 2014 and 2015, following a rule

Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, not being part of the organizing team of EP 2014 but noticing how the EuroPython society works: I’d rather recommend everyone who thinks about organizing anything to stay miles away from the EPS for your own sanity. If anyone thinks about participating I’d recommend contacting the