EV digest 2384
EV Digest 2384 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3) OT: might build support for energy-efficient cars by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5) Re: Range definition (was: RE: Epiphany on Range Issue) by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7) Re: A plan by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8) Actual Individual EV mileage by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9) Re: Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Ralph Merwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Mark Dodrill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12) RE: Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 13) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by Edward Ang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14) Re: Rudman reg madness by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15) Re: Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16) Re: Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Glenn Crosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18) RE: Ceramic heating element efficiency by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19) RE: Meaningful Flags was:OT-huffington article by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20) RE: Ceramic heater voltage by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21) RE: A plan - expertise and suchlike by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 22) RE: A plan - rust by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 23) RE: A plan by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24) brushes for electrak drive motor by "SCOTT O'QUINN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25) Re: Ceramic heater voltage by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Begin Message --- Andre Blanchard wrote: > > So what is needed is the equivalent of a charging cradle for the car. Just > park the car some place close and a robot comes out of the wall, or drops > from the ceiling and plugs the car in. That kind of tech is built into kids > toys now days, it just needs to be refined some. Do you have a robot pulling the phone out of your pocket and sticking in the cradle? May be in the morning its metal arm grabs your neck, sticks the phone back in the pocket and synthesized voice reminds you "Don't ever forget it again..." Seriously, you only can use what's currently available and push the envelope. It is more convenient not to recharge the phone ever, but this ain't gonna happen in near future, so you and I put up with having to pop it into the charger ourselves and live with this huge inconvenience. The same with the car - live with its limitations, or don't own one. > That would make electric > more convenient then a gas car. Too get people to change you need to give > them an alternative that is better then what they are currently using. Or gradually quit making/outlaw what they are currently using or, better, just STOP SUBSIDIZING IT, so we don't have to wait to use up resources. People is shortsighted, but understand money talk very well. Today. It is doable, but painful and requires sacrifices (for the goodness cause) of those who have power. While greed rules, unlikely it will happen. Victor --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- P.S. I think EAA started taking data from members on annual EV mileage. Any figures available yet? >> http://www.southerncompany.com/planetpower/ev/why.asp?mnuOpco=soco&mnuType=ev&mnuItem=oc Georgia power has logged 5 million miles on there EV alone. Rod --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=13960&CFID=3259991&CF TOKEN=68467416 Excerpt from above link: The thought occurred to me after the startling announcement that the administration was taking precious time off from an actual, necessary war -- the one on terrorism -- to sue the state of California for daring to require that carmakers put more energy-efficient models on the road... It's not just a fantasy. Last week, talking to my friend Scott Burns, co-creator of the "Got Milk?" campaign, I was delighted to hear that he already had two ad scripts ready to go. The first one feels like an old Slim Fast commercial. Instead of "I lost 50 pounds in two weeks" the ad cuts to different people in their SUVs: "I gassed 40,000 Kurds," "I helped hijack an airplane," "I helped blow up a nightclub," and then in unison: "We did it all by driving to work in our SUVs." Culture jamming at it's finest... Or at
EV digest 2383
EV Digest 2383 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: For jeep fans (was: Re: Electric Jeep?) by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue, Comments by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3) Re: For jeep fans (was: Re: Electric Jeep?) by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4) Re: What are the odds? an Stuff by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5) Re: Rudman reg madness by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by Adam Kuehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8) Re: A plan by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by Adam Kuehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11) Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12) EVTV/ by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 13) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14) Range definition (was: RE: Epiphany on Range Issue) by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15) Re: AC Vs DC ratings... by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16) Re: Attention to Detail: was 'What are the odds?' by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by Alan Batie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19) RE: Free Tech Paper - "Battery Essentials" by "Bill Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Begin Message --- 0-60 in 13 seconds for a 3 ton vehicle is impressive. Actually the whole vehicle is pretty impressive. It's considerably bigger (wider) than a Grand Cherokee which weighs in at over 2 tons. That means they squeezed in two AC drive systems AND 9kwh worth of NiMH batteries AND a methanol reformer AND the fuel cells, and only added less than 1300 lbs to the weight. It might take 45 minutes to get the fuel cels up to full operation, but I'll bet you can drive around on battery power while you're waiting. Cliff Rassweiler wrote: Victor, Thanks for posting this. 0-60 Mph in about 13 seconds. I hope we will be able to beat that!. Other entertaining parts. Range around 120 miles. Start-up time 45 minutes. Weight almost 3 tons. This fuel cell vehicle has a little way to go before 'market acceptence'. Cliff www.ProEV.com - Original Message - From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: For jeep fans (was: Re: Electric Jeep?) Jeep fans, You can download an article about Jeep Commander Built by Daimler-Chrysler. This one is FC vehicle, and power train consists of two Siemens 1PV5134WS20 motors and integrated Simovert inverters - exactly the same motors and similar inverters I supplied to Cliff Rassweiler for his electric Imp project (ProEv.com). Arrangement is the same too - Commander has both front and rear drive shafts driven by own AC motor, so 2 motors and 2 inverters on board. I wonder how the two will compare. Cliff's Subaru Impenza conversion should definitely outperform this heavy beast on the oval track... Subaru specs: http://www.proev.com/P1Spec.htm Jeep Commander article: http://www.metricmind.com/misc/jeep_hev.pdf Enjoy all, Victor Vince wrote: David wrote: I've thought a CJ/Wrangler with a fiberglass body could make for a neat conversion. Do you mean a fiberglass Jeep body or an alternative fiberglass body ? I have an interest in converting a 4WD like a Jeep or Sidekick/Tracker, but the soft tops leak like a sieve and are difficult to heat and I don't like the hardtop versions. The only fiberglass bodies I've seen still use some sort of soft top. Vince --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hi Andre an' All; Had to comment on this one. - Original Message - From: Andre Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: RE: Epiphany on Range Issue > So what is needed is the equivalent of a charging cradle for the car. Just > park the car some place close and a robot comes out of the wall, or drops > from the ceiling and plugs the car in. Easier, yet; You drive the car to a "Charging Deck" for lack of a better term. That a piece of plywood with wheel guuides and stops so when you roll on, the wheels and carbody are in a fixed location EVery time. A pressure switch turns on the charger, which is mounted on here, too. Tried and true third rail shoe principles can be used here. Contacts on the deck contact the points under the car that are arranged to match the ones on the deck. It works! Had a setup like that on one of my very early EV's in "Nam. Was really convenient to drive into a spot, park it and walk away. Of coursethe plywood "Deck" could be moved around, to anywhere there was a plug to plug it in. I have found t
EV digest 2382
EV Digest 2382 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Epiphany on Range Issue by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2) Ceramic heater voltage by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3) Re: For Sale at any Price?...NOT! by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4) A plan by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5) Re: Meaningful Flags was:OT-huffington article by Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6) Re: Possible donor FS lists by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7) Jill Stein campaign seeks EVers in MA by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8) Re: Rudman reg madness by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9) Re: EVessel (Was Re: Ceramic heating element efficiency - Infrared? Electric sailing an' Stuff.) by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10) Battery search by Pete Hatton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11) Re: What are the odds? by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12) Re: Ceramic heater voltage by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 13) WOT: Re: Meaningful Flags was:OT-huffington article by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14) Re: Battery search by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15) Re: WOT: Re: Meaningful Flags was:OT-huffington article by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16) RE: Epiphany on Range Issue by "Andre Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17) RE: A plan by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18) Re: For jeep fans (was: Re: Electric Jeep?) by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19) RE: A plan by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Begin Message --- Electro Automotive wrote: > > I had a sudden insight (if you'll pardon the pun) on the resistance we > commonly get from the general public about an EV's range. A lot of the > time, they don't really mean, "How many miles can I drive before I have to > recharge?" They mean "How many DAYS can I drive before I have to recharge?" ... ... Just tell them an EV, as rechargeable appliance, is no different from a cell phone. This people have no problem popping their phones in the charging cradle *every* night and forget about it. So what's the issue? (not question to you, suggested question to them). Victor --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- With all this talk about heaters (and the first snow flakes of the season), it's time I get my heater hooked back up. How far can the voltage be pushed? The ceramic heater in my truck was installed by the previous owner, from an EV supplier so presumably the "good stuff" (but not Randy's "great stuff :-). It was run on 120v pack before (and seemed a little wimpy). Now I have a 176 volt pack. Can I push the heater that far? Will it just self-limit the temperature, or go up in a puff of smoke? My only other choice would be to use a 240 volt unit (or two 120's in series), but that then goes pretty far the other way with major under voltage. Last winter was very mild and I just used the warm jacket method, but probably won't be that lucky this year. _ Jim Coate 1992 Chevy S10 1970's Elec-Trak http://www.eeevee.com --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- 1sclunn wrote: > I would like to see all EV's in the album for sale. I know > that somebody who puts 500 to 1000 hours into there EV doesn't > want to sell it for the price of the parts but by putting the > price that they would be happy with say 40k or what ever, they > will help other people trying to sell there EV's. Is my "baby" for sale? No. Except yes, it is. Someday. So maybe I should start listing it now? After the first year or so I decided I really did like EVs and I hoped that I'd just drive it into the ground and by then I could buy a factory EV truck. Silly me. EVs are hard to wear out, and (big) factories aren't going to make any. All this spells another conversion. This time going "upscale" (regen = AC, advanced/sealed batteries, etc). I could keep reworking this truck, but it seems like sooner or later I'd be better off starting over, especially since I could then get features like an extended cab. So, perhaps it would be good to list it as 'for sale' - "everything has a price" as they say. Most would likely laugh at the price, but if a surprise nibble comes along, I sell it, get an ICE beater for a few months, and use the proceeds to go to work on the new conversion? What reflects on EVs the best? And what gets me into the next EV the most economically? A fascinating thread with no answers. _ Jim Coate 1992 Chevy S10 1970's Elec-Trak http://www.eeevee.com --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- So I've got this 1987 Nissan Bluebird that I've been driving for years, but it's getting on a bit - got some rust, done 270,000km (~170,00 miles). It also (of course) uses too much gas. So I'm looking to buy a "new" car for driving around in, and perhaps eventually converting. The one I'm looking at seriously
