EV digest 2445
EV Digest 2445 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: l e d's by Chad Peddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: Visio as schematic tool/ free stencils by Chad Peddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: VW Rabbit adapter plate by Bob Bath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Responding to EV Naysayers by Marvin Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Re: Crazy Go-Kart EV ideas by Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: Crazy Go-Kart EV ideas by Otmar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Thomas Shay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Re: 13 Optima YT's for sale - $1000 by Cliff Rassweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) AC controller for Alternators by Tony McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: 13 Optima YT's for sale - $1000 by Christopher Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) RE: Surplus aircraft nicads by David Roden (Akron OH USA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Re: 13 Optima YT's for sale - $1000 by David Roden (Akron OH USA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Re: Burning up L6-30 Connectors? by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Chuck Hursch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: l e d's by Geoff Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- West Marine sells them for ~$6 - Original Message - From: Richard Millhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: evlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: l e d's Has anyone tried converting tail-stop-park lights to LED's? Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I like that - Original Message - From: Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: Visio as schematic tool/ free stencils I don't know if anyone on the list uses Visio for things like schematics for their car electrical systems, but a coworker has a website with some free stencils for Visio for lots of EV-related stuff from AC inlet plugs to motors and relays. The website is www.shapedev.com Seth -- vze3v25q@verizondotnet ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hi Roy, I think I might've written you, but it's a good thing you went on the list. The mounting holes for the 9 motor, which I have, are in fact different than the 8. Also, if my vehicle does sell, I haven't done you much good. Haven't had much in the way of solid bites. I intend to break ground on the next car this Feb. I'd imagine you're trying to get going ASAP, but if you decide to go with the 9 combination, I could sell the motor and adapter plate/coupling for $1400. And if my front support for the motor is not welded to the car, I'll toss that in free. 541.472.1115 (can't remember if that's in my signature) Sincerely, --- Roy Reker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in buying a used coupling and adapter plate for an 8 advanced DC motor to a VW rabbit. I have tried to make my own and had trouble with runout and centering. Also interested in a lightweigt aluminum flywheel for the Rabbit. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Dear Folks: Well, the charger's installed and certified. At some point Toyota will be releasing our new RAV4. Woo Hoo! This will be our second EV, and we're currently in the process of dumping our gas ICE vehicles. I'm looking for a diesel pickup for the occasional long trips or work hauling. We'll be burning biodiesel for infrequent ICE usage. Well on schedule for our planned independence on fossil fuel for our transportation needs. Only one problem left: Mindless friends constantly parroting the anti-EV propaganda they pick up from the media. You know the type. They say things like, Those solar panels you bought will take years to pay for themselves. (Gee, good thing they have a TWENTY-FIVE YEAR warranty.) Or, my personal favorite: EV's pollute just as much as gas cars, but the pollution is located at the power plant. I then point at my solar panels...and sigh. But it's all becoming so, If I have to explain it, you simply won't understand. I think Dabney Coleman put it best when he said, The more intelligent you are, the less TV you watch. Anyone know of a source of anti-EV mythbusting info? I'm looking for a point-by-point refutation of the most common anti-EV myths that we all know so well. I'd like to print multiple copies to hand out in response to the naysayers blather, so I don't have to waste more of MY time explaining things they won't understand anyway. Thanks! J. Marvin Campbell Culver City, CA 1992 Soleq EVcort 2002 RAV4 EV The oil companies may run our government, but we don't have to buy their product. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I was wondering if an adaptor plate exists for GE go-kart motors, specifically is
EV digest 2446
EV Digest 2446 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Burning up L6-30 Connectors? by Joe Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Burning up L6-30 Connectors? by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) De-Ox, was : Burning up L6-30 Connectors? by Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) EVLN(JOBS: Hybrid Manager, Sales)-long by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Chip Gribben [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) EVLN(Interfaith group crusades hybrid 'pollution-lite') by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) EVLN(4 electric car manufacturers @ Seoul Motor Show) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Question about ammeter with regen by Michael Hoskinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Silent Running was(Re: Responding to EV Naysayers) by damon henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Renault LeCar parts by Mike Chancey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Silent Running was(Re: Responding to EV Naysayers) by Mike Chancey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- I think we have a little misunderstanding here that is not worth a fight. 1. The first point I was making was that contamination on the wire prevented it from making a good connection as well as prevented it from tinning properly. Once the wire was cleaned enough to tin properly, the heat problem was gone. 2. The second point I was making was that the wire was at fault, not the connector. 3. Nowhere did I recommend tinning stranded wire before insertion into a pressure clamp fitting. As Sharkey stated, the connection tends to loosen as the connection thermal cycles. It works for a while but can loosen over time. I have used de-ox on marine systems and a year later it was obvious which connections were not properly and entirely treated. I recommend it anywhere wet or damp. Joe Smalley Rural Kitsap County WA Fiesta 48 volts NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Burning up L6-30 Connectors? Stowe it some place that counts. Tinning actually is a good idea. I fully understand your concerns and angles. It really stiffens up clamp connections and helps in heat dissipation. I tin every thing I can. I have not lost a connection yet. I have done 80 amps pulls, and 50 amp NON PFC charger pulls with 150 amp peaks. Tinned screw lug termination's are the only thing the survives this type of abuse. Please don't use NOT EVER. Most of us have done EVERY thing wrong and know exactly how it fails and What is a Danger and what Isn't. When Joe recommends this , it's because it works for us, and very well I might add. In fact the only connections that have failed on PFC20s is a quality crimp done with a $100 crimper and Spec lugs. Tinning solved this issue. Did I make myself Clear enough? Sharkey wrote: Have you tried tinning the wire before inserting it into the clamp. Absolutely, positively, DO NOT EVER apply solder to stranded wire that will be inserted into a pressure clamp type connector Solder is a very malleable metal, and while it may seem that it causes the pressure connector to be more secure in the beginning, the lead in the solder will relax, resulting in a connection that degrades through time and allows the wire to become loose under the clamp. If you feel the need to tin the very ~ends~ of the wire for the purpose of containing the loose strands, this can be done but *only* if the tined end of the wire is not subjected to any pressure from the connector, which again, results in an unreliable connection. Applying a resistance lowering and corrosion proofing compound such as No Al Ox would be advisable. This will lessen the connection's electrical resistance, exclude moisture, and prevent oxidation of the copper and brass components. In the end, if you are heating up your connector, either as a result of drawing high continuous charging currents, or because of the effects of power factor, your ~only~ proper response should be to step up to a connector that can handle the current without heating, or else turn the current down to an approved level. Using connectors (such as a dryer plug) with exposed live conductors is asking for trouble *and* likely to give EV charging another black eye in the public's perception. Clean up your act or go back to
EV digest 2447
EV Digest 2447 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: Charger for 144 V system by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Predictions from 1992 by Alan Batie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Mike Chancey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: Question about ammeter with regen by Ralph Merwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Responding to EV Naysayers...More Blue Meanie Tales by John Wayland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Silent Running was(Re: Responding to EV Naysayers) by Peter VanDerWal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) RE: Silent Running was(Re: Responding to EV Naysayers) by beckettw [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Re: Question about ammeter with regen by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) RE: Responding to EV Naysayers by George Tylinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) DCConveterInput by Johanna and Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: EVLN(Otay Ranch will nEV around the community) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) EVLN(Oil/Coal funds OSU world speed EV) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) EVLN(Santa Rosa Zap holiday shop emerges after bankruptcy) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) EVLN(Look Ma, Ford's bamboo EV 500+-piece kit) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- At 12:13 PM 12/1/2002 -0800, Lee Hart wrote: Even if I figured a way to wedge them in, watering in place would be impossible. I'd have to pull the pack out of the car to water it. Or more likely, set up an automatic watering system. Not with those. The way the Sparrow is setup, IF I could wedge in a 9.25 tall cell, it would be literally wedged in. NO space above the fill cap at all. Then there is the voltage problem. 15 of these makes a 18V battery. Yes; they lead to a new system voltage. Which adds significantly to the cost. Makes it Not An Option. I need about 5.5KWH for my normal commute. That would give 7.488KWH of capacity So, the question becomes. how much of the theoretical capacity can you actually GET out of NiCd cells? If I can count on being able to actually get 7KWH out of such a pack, it becomes a useful possibility. 2) Do NiCd play nicely in parallel? They are OK on discharge. On charge, you can have problems, especially at higher temperatures and charging currents. The simplest solution would be to charge them independently (2 chargers), or sequentially (charge one, then the other) or alternate between them (keep switching the charger back and forth between the two strings every 5 minutes or so). You'd need a different charging algorithm (which might be a challenge to get for the Zivan). I'll be working with a PFC 20, not a Zivan. Wiring up something to alternate strings would be possible. If it were me, I'd group the batteries in some convenient voltage, like 12v, and rig some kind of monitoring and control system. Also this once again brings up the question of series/parallel strings. Is it better to have 2 strings of 156v? Or 1 string of buddy pairs? How tolerant are NiCd's of over charging? How tolerant of 100% DOD? Operating Temperature? -- John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream http://www.CasaDelGato.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Johanna and Stan wrote: We have a 144 Volt Curtiss controller and will have a pack of twelve 12V Trojan batteries. Does anyone have recommendations for a particular charger given this configuration? The only one we have seen in this connection is the Zivan 240 VAC. Johanna Soliday My PFC series of chargers will do just fine in this configuration. Check the Website. -- Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro www.manzanitamicro.com 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/technology/personal_technology/4600181.htm San Jose Mercury News reporter Mike Langberg made some predictions in 1992 of what 2002 would be like. In the above link he grades himself, and gives himself an A for electric cars: They're not yet a big part of the market, but electric and hybrid vehicles are no longer an unusual sight on Bay Area highways. I personally think a C would be more like it, especially because the prediction stated Behind the wheel of her electrically powered 1999 General Motors Megavolt... though I suppose in 1999 you actually *could* get an EV1...if you tried hard enough... -- Alan Batie __alan.batie.orgMe [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49
EV digest 2448
EV Digest 2448 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Surplus aircraft nicads by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Mason Convey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers by Mason Convey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers...More Blue Meanie Tales by Thomas Shay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Re: Responding to EV Naysayers...More Blue Meanie Tales by Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: Renault LeCar parts by Tony McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: EVLN(Look Ma, Ford's bamboo EV 500+-piece kit) by Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Re: l e d's by Richard Furniss [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Question about ammeter with regen by Jon \Sheer\ Pullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Sparrow battery heaters and MKII regulators by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) EVLN(Brown speaks true: EVs are not dead) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) EVLN(REVA will be exported to Britain and Europe) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) EVLN(Repercussions from Ford's EV abandonment) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) EVLN(Going, Going, Gone : Ventura Think nEV) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) EVLN(Auto/Oil use GreenCar to push nEVs) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) EVLN(DC pushes GEM nEVs across USA) by Bruce EVangel Parmenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- I have just received the 2003 NHRA rule book, NiCads are allowed in electric vechs. although the terminology should probably be rewritten. The rule book says (Sealed Vented Nicads) I will be using NiCads in 2003 for bracket racing the CURRENT ELIMINATOR. Advantages I see for bracket racing are: #1 Same available power either cold or warm, thus the 2 or 3 practice runs will be the same as the actual elimination runs. Consistency is the name of the game in bracket racing. #2 The pack I will be using will have enough extra amp hours to make at least 2 consistent runs thus I will not have to fully top the pack in between runs to be consistent. As the race day progresses the round winners have to come to the line quicker (I have gotten caught in this trap a couple of times) and sometimes have been directed back to the line immediately, this has spelled doom for the Current Eliminator with the lead batts I was using. Topping of the pack will be done at home or in the early rounds as time permits. #3 Some NiCads I have bench raced hold the voltage high throughout the run making for Big mph#s. This really helps when bracket racing. Question, I realize one should not have NiCads stored in the same room as lead acid batteries the Current Eliminator resides in an enclosed trailer with a pit cart powered by lead acids also the 15kw genset is started by a lead acid battery. Should I be adapting the genset and pitcart to NiCads also? DENNIS KILOWATT BERUBE ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- + I read an articel a couple years ago or less about the subject. As + close as I can recall, the title goes something like; Tailpipe to + Smokestacks, Debunking the EV Myth. A search on Google turns up several links to this article. Here is one of them... Debunking the Myth of EVs and Smokestacks - by Chip Gribben http://www.princeton.edu/~bcjones/transportation/ev/myths.html -~-~- mason s. convey -~-~- website. http://www.1opossum.com pager.voicemail. 602.422.7996. [EMAIL PROTECTED] email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL Messenger. mtnbikeAZ Yahoo! Messenger. mtnbike_az ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Maybe I should have finished reading my messages before responding. ;) + I wrote a paper awhile back called Debunking the Myths of EVs and + Smokestacks to address the very point of the power plant myth. + + You can download the paper at http://www.evadc.org/pwrplnt.pdf -~-~- mason s. convey -~-~- website. http://www.1opossum.com pager.voicemail. 602.422.7996. [EMAIL PROTECTED] email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL Messenger. mtnbikeAZ Yahoo! Messenger. mtnbike_az ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Yes, John, perhaps you should start writing a regular weekly column. I enjoyed reading about your encounters with the Ford F-350 Power Stroke Diesel and the horse drawn buggies. But I must question a point in this week's column. You told a woman that her horse drawn buggy caused less pollution than your electric car. That certainly isn't so! As a farm boy, I stepped in a lot of horse and cleaned barns and stables. Horse emissions are in my opinion worse than than those of infernal combustion engines. In 1900 it took a crew of about 15000 to clean the streets every night in New York City. Urine accumulated during dry weather and
